WTF is methyl K? Anyone try?

I've also started to see this title being offered by a couple of publishers I use. I think I'll try to pick up a pamphlet this week, would like to hear what other people think of the title!
 
Ummm respectfully I would disagree, if you are looking for a sleep aid maybe Ambien-ish then okay bc that’s what this is, Kerry have you tried it? Bc I know many who have.
 
This has gotten interesting. Turns out it probably is the methl K mentioned in the book phikal by shulginn. He tested it up to 100 mg, just to the point of activity, but no more. It's an amph derivative, falls in with md ma, md a, and the other stim/empath/psicodelic stuff. Any info that's available, dose, effects, etc. I'd love to hear.
 
Before I read this thread I hadn't seen it anywhere and would swear I'd never see it. Now I see it everywhere I look. Funny how that works.

I'm still waiting to hear from someone that's tried it. Considering the mystery involved I'm surprised there aren't samples available.
 
Well, I just got some in. When I first saw the name, I thought of bkmdma (methylone) but also ketamine. When I have AI analyze its chemical structure, it basically says it's similar to MXE--a more serotonergic Ketamine with longer duration. However, there's a wiki which confirms your suspicions that it's a MDMA/MDA like stimulant. Actually a bit of a let down for me as I need Ketamine-type effects.

If anyone knows of a vendor carrying something other than tilmetamine (DCK, MXPr, 2-fdck, etc) please let me know. I'm super bummed I didn't do more research and trust my intuition.
 

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Well, I just got some in. When I first saw the name, I thought of bkmdma (methylone) but also ketamine. When I have AI analyze its chemical structure, it basically says it's similar to MXE--a more serotonergic Ketamine with longer duration. However, there's a wiki which confirms your suspicions that it's a MDMA/MDA like stimulant. Actually a bit of a let down for me as I need Ketamine-type effects.

If anyone knows of a vendor carrying something other than tilmetamine (DCK, MXPr, 2-fdck, etc) please let me know. I'm super bummed I didn't do more research and trust my intuition.
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Somehow I get curious and let myself get sucked into finding answers for this sort of thing. I think I've got an idea what this stuff is but I spent more time than I wanted looking up info and reading about it. Then too much time writing. I think the likely answer is a manufacturer or shipper made a similar mistake as you did and it's something else, a 'different' methl K.

It could be something else but the strongest possibility is that it's bk-methl-k or β-Keto-Methylbenzodioxolylpentanamine. More commonly known as pentylone, a synthetic cathinone. Not one of the more popular ones. Or it's possible they wanted pentylone and the maker made methl k by mistake. It wouldn't be the first time something like this happened.

As soon as I saw this stuff available it didn't make sense to me. Methl k has only been recorded as synthesized once before, 50 years ago. Possibly a few more times for a laugh but there's not much point. The ingredients could be whipped up into at least a dozen other recipes. Stuff that people are familiar with. That are well liked favorites. Or lesser known exotics that are unique and interesting. So why this?

The one recorded bioassay, at 100 mg, doesn't help things. Almost all the other stuff that's active in it's close family would produce a very noticeable to strong to too strong effect at that dosage. There's also close relatives that are bunk. In phikal the tester says, 'It had no effects. I was busy and too wound up and didn't sleep until 3 am, but this was probably unrelated to the methl k.' If it was someone naive to the effects of stims it's could be possible getting wound up and staying up late was an effect, only they were too inexperienced to notice.

That's very unlikely, it's probably Shulginn tasting it. If not him someone from his close circle of experienced psychoknots. Maybe the most experienced drug takers in the world. If they say there were no effects there were no effects, at least anyone would be interested in. Coffee has a noticeable effect no matter how busy or wound up you are.

I was looking at dates and this stuff has been around at least 3 weeks with no description of effects. This makes me suspcious. Pentylone can be felt at 50 mg, a medium dose is 100-200 mg, on up. There's other cathies that are much more potent. If I had some I'd test it with a reagent to find out what it is. Especially if I had a lot. Then I'd find a willing human.

Start very small, to test for allergies and real big fuckups. I recently read the reports of some surivors of the 2cbro mo dragonfly fuck up. It seems that was a turning point in harm reduction. Don't test alone and be careful of body load. This group can cause problems with heart, circulation, and vasoconstriction in an overdose. 100 mg could be safe but there's plenty of stuff that's sensitive at the 1-5 mg level and smaller.

It feels weird writing this, I don't like putting down vendors' magazines. Hopefully I'm wrong and it is Methyl-K and it turns out to be amazing stuff. It's still a possibility. I think I read somewhere it was tested on rodents and they had a great time. They became euphoric and all sang Twist and Shout. I can't find the report now but I'm pretty sure I saw it.

I'm not a chem ist, not an expert, often I"m full of shit. This is all speculation, if you're curious and want to try for the unique opportunity I'd go for it. I'm a little tempted actually. It's an opportunity to try something that's never been tried before in human history. That has a small but real chance of being really special. A smaller chance of being something that changes the world.
 
If anyone knows of a vendor carrying something other than tilmetamine (DCK, MXPr, 2-fdck, etc) please let me know. I'm super bummed I didn't do more research and trust my intuition.
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Got so caught up in writing that novel I forgot about your question. I've looked around a couple times and there's no shortage of vendors with one or more of those magazines. I wouldn't feel good recommending you to someone I can't vouch for because I haven't worked with them. With your sponsor status you should be able to find one you can work with. Besides the different personalities and business practices there's quite a swing in costs.

I was reading reports of tilmetamine that didn't sound good. Side effects that lasted 10-20 days and more after a moderate dose. It gets worse with large doses and multiple dosing. To me it's not worth messing with considering that most of the other types have a good safety record if you don't abuse them and use them in safe settings.
 
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Got so caught up in writing that novel I forgot about your question. I've looked around a couple times and there's no shortage of vendors with one or more of those magazines. I wouldn't feel good recommending you to someone I can't vouch for because I haven't worked with them. With your sponsor status you should be able to find one you can work with. Besides the different personalities and business practices there's quite a swing in costs.

I was reading reports of tilmetamine that didn't sound good. Side effects that lasted 10-20 days and more after a moderate dose. It gets worse with large doses and multiple dosing. To me it's not worth messing with considering that most of the other types have a good safety record if you don't abuse them and use them in safe settings.
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Yes I have found those mags available from vendors on here but have so far run into issues with professionalism, prices and reputation...kind of a pain, but I'll keep looking. It's actually needed for the development of a program I'm developing which has garnered a lot of interest from professionals and clients alike. But standard K isn't ideal.

Anyway, I dissolved this "Methyl-k" into some PG and vaped approx 50mg with no notable effects, regardless of temperature. Why vape? Potential applicability purposes and I knew it would be soluble. Plus, it enables rapid onset so it could be very carefully and gradually increased in dose. As we know, bioavailability of vaporized compounds is greatly enhanced, so 50mg would be equivalent to well above 100mg.

When I had my AI look at the chemical structure a few more times, I got a variety of responses, but it consistently asserts it is in the realm of MDMA/MDA--somewhere between, and likely a longer duration. There was no CAS number. Because its likely effects aren't applicable to my needs, I didn't experiment more whole-heartedly.

And regarding TilMETamine, (not to be confused with Tiletamine or Tilidine), I've found 10-20mg intranasal to have mild effects of a bland K analogue.
 

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Well, I just got some in. When I first saw the name, I thought of bkmdma (methylone) but also ketamine. When I have AI analyze its chemical structure, it basically says it's similar to MXE--a more serotonergic Ketamine with longer duration. However, there's a wiki which confirms your suspicions that it's a MDMA/MDA like stimulant. Actually a bit of a let down for me as I need Ketamine-type effects anyone knows of a vendor carrying something other than tilmetamine (DCK, MXPr, 2-fdck, etc) please let me know. I'm super bummed I didn't do more research and trust my intuition.ut
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Yea I would avoid this chem at all costs, I took 80mg to start then only 20mg redose and sent me to the er then hospital, had a hypertensive episode and I do not at all have any heart conditions or in my family, extremely experienced with rcs and the regular drugs with over 160 drugs tried, this was the only stim that did that to me, luckily no heart attack they ran an ekg but felt like I was having one, my arms and legs were going numb and blood pressure very high, could almost not get up to leave to the hospital, had to call an ambulance. I could barely talk at that point, felt like I had to force words out just to talk from the panic attack and hr attack that put me in. My heart just would not stop pounding bpm was probably 180+ max hr 190, sitting up felt like I was gonna pass out, I’m very experienced with mdma and all the flourinated amphetamines, this one please avoid. Luckily I had some Pyrazolam powder, sublingualed an unknown amount out of panic as ik they were gonna give me iv benzos anyway, Pyrazolam wasn’t too strong but I reached for the quickest thing near me, moving felt like an instant heart attack imminent, still wasn’t enough to stop the hr and blood pressure surge. At the er they had to IV me with ativan and Valium 3 times and maybe cause of panic in the body my heart rate was still climbing up to 170+ bpm. It eventually calmed down from the iv benzos but my hr was like that for probably the whole peak of the drug, roughly 3-4 hours. Absolutely crazy as you may think this won’t happen to you but it can. What’s weird is that it started out calm and I had entactogenic effects, but that’s about it then the umcomfortable seizure like stimulations crept in like I was injected with adrenaline, felt like I was gonna seize any moment, I had to concentrate on breathing as I wasn’t getting enough oxygen from the quick hr, this was more intense than any high intensity workout. I’m 25 and this was the only stim I’ve done that had this sort of reaction, took it on an empty stomach which probably wasn’t a great idea but I had ate food only like 30 mins later, but that wouldn’t have mattered if it were any other stim, this has toxicity forsure, cardio toxicity and im also active and workout regularly, heart was in shape. I was the Guinea pig for the night and felt like I was gonna die, please avoid this, its the parent drug of pentylone, which was known to cause ods and death, and now I see how and why
 
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Yea I would avoid this chem at all costs, I took 80mg to start then only 20mg redose and sent me to the er then hospital, had a hypertensive episode and I do not at all have any heart conditions or in my family, extremely experienced with rcs and the regular drugs with over 160 drugs tried, this was the only stim that did that to me, luckily no heart attack they ran an ekg but felt like I was having one, my arms and legs were going numb and blood pressure very high, could almost not get up to leave to the hospital, had to call an ambulance. I could barely talk at that point, felt like I had to force words out just to talk from the panic attack and hr attack that put me in. My heart just would not stop pounding bpm was probably 180+ max hr 190, sitting up felt like I was gonna pass out, I’m very experienced with mdma and all the flourinated amphetamines, this one please avoid. Luckily I had some Pyrazolam powder, sublingualed an unknown amount out of panic as ik they were gonna give me iv benzos anyway, Pyrazolam wasn’t too strong but I reached for the quickest thing near me, moving felt like an instant heart attack imminent, still wasn’t enough to stop the hr and blood pressure surge. At the er they had to IV me with ativan and Valium 3 times and maybe cause of panic in the body my heart rate was still climbing up to 170+ bpm. It eventually calmed down from the iv benzos but my hr was like that for probably the whole peak of the drug, roughly 3-4 hours. Absolutely crazy as you may think this won’t happen to you but it can. What’s weird is that it started out calm and I had entactogenic effects, but that’s about it then the umcomfortable seizure like stimulations crept in like I was injected with adrenaline, felt like I was gonna seize any moment, I had to concentrate on breathing as I wasn’t getting enough oxygen from the quick hr, this was more intense than any high intensity workout. I’m 25 and this was the only stim I’ve done that had this sort of reaction, took it on an empty stomach which probably wasn’t a great idea but I had ate food only like 30 mins later, but that wouldn’t have mattered if it were any other stim, this has toxicity forsure, cardio toxicity and im also active and workout regularly, heart was in shape. I was the Guinea pig for the night and felt like I was gonna die, please avoid this, its the parent drug of pentylone, which was known to cause ods and death, and now I see how and why
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Thanks for the warning. Glad you’re okay
 
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