Middleground between ODSMT and zenes?

ODSMT just doesnt do it for me. it seems like everything else im seeing- SR-17018, DPP-26 etc. are for helping get off opiates more than getting on them. but i don't wanna fuck around with zenes because i already know whats gonna happen if i get 5 grams of powder.
I'd hope to find something inbetween that my device is capable of vaporizing. i find that method of research more intuitive.

Spc

I feel a similar way, purpkoolaid. Feels like there's a gap in the RC market for a really good opi0id.

Zenes are scary. I haven't heard much (positive or negative) about all the letter-number combination ones you mentioned. 0DsMTee is pretty good, in my opinion, but it's limited (especially if you have a tolerance).

Powderlover - what is spc?

I tried doing a web search but all kinds of unrelated shit came up.

Wow - thats quite the gap - dont *explitive* around with zenes if you don't have a case of extremely reckless abandon or don't know how to safely handle μ's. It aint though, rough or manly. Lost my best bud man. Maybe buccx? It's CH and a good time - no extreme add. potential - but I dont want to push you into an ophole if you can chill on other subs. Especially if you havent done any before, then just cough some coloured phlegm on your Genprac...for some cod.

And yeah, I had the delicate misfortune of gobblin up a couple o mag-grams. Silly and stupid. Makes you wish it was 1910.

There isn't anything good anymore, everything left sucks for now till something new comes around.. zenes can be very dangerous, but it's like everything else that comes down to the right dosage.. If you know how to cut them properly with solvents, which is pretty much 100% necessary If you don't want to put your life on the line, they're not that bad at all, but you can't just throw some cut in a bag or a grinder and just mix it up, You have to use actual solvents and dissolve everything together, or you end up with hot spots that can kill you.. when it's mixed properly it's not that strong at all honestly, It's just another opiate.. people just don't know what the heck they're doing and they try to do all kinds of goofy s*** with it.. a half gram of real isopyne, needs 30 g of cut to make it safe... Yet you read about people slamming it on foil and smoking it, putting it in vapes.. all kinds of nonsense, It's still out there and I found a connect for it but they don't publicly advertise and I think this is the reason why... That's why it ends up getting banned. If you ever get a hold of it it's nothing to mess around with if you don't know what you're doing it ,don't be stupid with it,it will kill you.

We used to have this stuff called heron, it fit nicely into that gap you speak of. Then China entered the scene…

Powderlover69 said:

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What’s this?

theoretically nortilidine but it isn't doing much for me

htownletsgo said:

theoretically nortilidine but it isn't doing much for me

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Since you’re the only person I’ve seen mention you’ve read it(even if it actually isn’t a good read), could you possibly share some useful info on the matter? I’m very interested in it but being so new there was(as of last night anyway) zero useful information or reading reports anywhere I could think to look.

LW815 said:

Since you’re the only person I’ve seen mention you’ve read it(even if it actually isn’t a good read), could you possibly share some useful info on the matter? I’m very interested in it but being so new there was(as of last night anyway) zero useful information or reading reports anywhere I could think to look.

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There are a few other people who have read this mag. Check this reddit thread and a few others you can search for.
Personally, I read almost the whole magazine yesterday and, while I did catch a kinda nod towards the very end of the night before I went to sleep, mostly I was underwhelmed. I had the whole day dedicated to reading this magazine and after it became apparent it wasn't going to do much on its own I started mixing with 7OH, probably around 2pm. And then marijuana in the early evening.
Continually redosing I read maybe 400mg that day in total and maybe I caught a slight nod as I tried to fall asleep but it really wasn't anything dramatic. For all I know it could have been the 7OH I read. So overall pretty underwhelmed with this mag but I've had weird reactions to opiate mags in the last few years so I may not be the best judge. Many other people love this mag and compare it favorable to oxy and other good stuff, according to the web.

Spunkmeyer said:

We used to have this stuff called heron, it fit nicely into that gap you speak of. Then China entered the scene…

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Let’s not forget Mexico.

htownletsgo said:

There are a few other people who have read this mag. Check this reddit thread and a few others you can search for.
Personally, I read almost the whole magazine yesterday and, while I did catch a kinda nod towards the very end of the night before I went to sleep, mostly I was underwhelmed. I had the whole day dedicated to reading this magazine and after it became apparent it wasn't going to do much on its own I started mixing with 7OH, probably around 2pm. And then marijuana in the early evening.
Continually redosing I read maybe 400mg that day in total and maybe I caught a slight nod as I tried to fall asleep but it really wasn't anything dramatic. For all I know it could have been the 7OH I read. So overall pretty underwhelmed with this mag but I've had weird reactions to opiate mags in the last few years so I may not be the best judge. Many other people love this mag and compare it favorable to oxy and other good stuff, according to the web.

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That sounds about in line with what I’ve heard about Dee-PeeP and I’m really wondering if you got a mislabeled(accidentally or intentionally) mag. With what little info I do know about n0r there should be no way you’d be able to read that much unless the projected info was completely inaccurate, as a 1:1 with môrf with the T you mentioned I don’t think would have ended very well. Unless I’m really misinformed on how strong 7 reads

Thanks for posting that though, and thanks for the link. I’ve searched Reddit quite a bit and never found anything, so I’m either stupid or it’s a newer thread. Haven’t clicked the link yet but I’ll be reading it here shortly

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There are a few other people who have read this mag. Check this reddit thread and a few others you can search for.
Personally, I read almost the whole magazine yesterday and, while I did catch a kinda nod towards the very end of the night before I went to sleep, mostly I was underwhelmed. I had the whole day dedicated to reading this magazine and after it became apparent it wasn't going to do much on its own I started mixing with 7OH, probably around 2pm. And then marijuana in the early evening.
Continually redosing I read maybe 400mg that day in total and maybe I caught a slight nod as I tried to fall asleep but it really wasn't anything dramatic. For all I know it could have been the 7OH I read. So overall pretty underwhelmed with this mag but I've had weird reactions to opiate mags in the last few years so I may not be the best judge. Many other people love this mag and compare it favorable to oxy and other good stuff, according to the web.

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How much do you use 7-OH and/or Kratom? it could very well be that cross-tolerance and/or having 7-OH still in your system resulted in feeling drastically diminished effects from the nortilidine. Kratom and its’ active alkaloids actually have quite strong binding affinities to opioid receptors, even though they don’t produce as strong of effects as other well known opis do.

I’ve been a Kratom (now OD$MT) user for a decade, and while using Kratom/7-OH products, even taking up to 80mg 0xy would only produce a slight nod.

Just food for thought! Should also be getting in some nortil mags soon, so I’ll report back on what effects are like for someone that’s a heavy daily OD$MT user.

-MB

htownletsgo said:

There are a few other people who have read this mag. Check this reddit thread and a few others you can search for.
Personally, I read almost the whole magazine yesterday and, while I did catch a kinda nod towards the very end of the night before I went to sleep, mostly I was underwhelmed. I had the whole day dedicated to reading this magazine and after it became apparent it wasn't going to do much on its own I started mixing with 7OH, probably around 2pm. And then marijuana in the early evening.
Continually redosing I read maybe 400mg that day in total and maybe I caught a slight nod as I tried to fall asleep but it really wasn't anything dramatic. For all I know it could have been the 7OH I read. So overall pretty underwhelmed with this mag but I've had weird reactions to opiate mags in the last few years so I may not be the best judge. Many other people love this mag and compare it favorable to oxy and other good stuff, according to the web.

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I personally grabbed a 1000pg copy of this. I haven't read anything in A LONG time and just a small number of pages should theoretically make me very sleepy. Received today and I've already blown through about 2/3 of it. There is NO plot, story, or substance to speak of whatsoever. Have heard speculation that the wrong edition was obtained initially from overseas. Whereas what we all want is version 1S,2R this may be 1R,2S, which does not exhibit any of the characteristics we all love about the genre. Now that more and more people are receiving their copies, they are voicing the same disappointment and concerns. Whatever the reason, it's incredibly disappointing. Hopefully this librarian will make things right, they seem very professional.

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I personally grabbed a 1000pg copy of this. I haven't read anything in A LONG time and just a small number of pages should theoretically make me very sleepy. Received today and I've already blown through about 2/3 of it. There is NO plot, story, or substance to speak of whatsoever. Have heard speculation that the wrong edition was obtained initially from overseas. Whereas what we all want is version 1S,2R this may be 1R,2S, which does not exhibit any of the characteristics we all love about the genre. Now that more and more people are receiving their copies, they are voicing the same disappointment and concerns. Whatever the reason, it's incredibly disappointing. Hopefully this librarian will make things right, they seem very professional.

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Interesting to hear about the wrong enantiomer being produced. Was there an analytical report that was run by someone that rec’d this RC from the source? Just curious how they were able to determine that it was indeed 1R,2S as opposed to the latter?

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Interesting to hear about the wrong enantiomer being produced. Was there an analytical report that was run by someone that rec’d this RC from the source? Just curious how they were able to determine that it was indeed 1R,2S as opposed to the latter?

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Because of the effects, one is supposed to elicit opioid effects, while the other not so much, or at all.

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Because of the effects, one is supposed to elicit opioid effects, while the other not so much, or at all.

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I figured that much. More so was curious if there was any samples sent out for 3rd party testing that verified the claims of it being one stereoisomer vs another? Or is it more so just speculation as of recent?

LW815 said:

Since you’re the only person I’ve seen mention you’ve read it(even if it actually isn’t a good read), could you possibly share some useful info on the matter? I’m very interested in it but being so new there was(as of last night anyway) zero useful information or reading reports anywhere I could think to look.

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it did absolutely nothing for me, I just have a small tolerance and hadn't read anything for a while prior it's quite likely that it's a fuck up on China's end, theoretically could have sent the wrong isomer, only one stereoisomer is active.

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Mammasboi123 said:

I figured that much. More so was curious if there was any samples sent out for 3rd party testing that verified the claims of it being one stereoisomer vs another? Or is it more so just speculation as of recent?

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it's speculation for sure, but informed speculation.