Bromonordiazepam – Desalkylgidazepam!???

davidbanner62 · Sunday at 4:43 PM

Anyone have any dosage information on this substance?? Vendors are offering it in powder form, im looking for any opinions on this matter. I beleive ( hope ) that it's better than Clobromazolam. Anyone else agree or disagree? what do you guys think? cant find a lot of information on it online.

Jayplug77 · Sunday at 4:56 PM

I’ll DM you

tiquanunderwood · Sunday at 4:56 PM

6mg br0m0n0r = 10mg Valium roughly.

That's my experience over several grams of last years batch.

davidbanner62 · Sunday at 5:56 PM

so better than clobro right especially with the D.O.S (delusion of sobriety) is causes?

Jayplug77 · Sunday at 6:04 PM

davidbanner62 said:
so better than clobro right especially with the D.O.S (delusion of sobriety) is causes?

Just about anything besides high doses of midazolam, etc are going to have much less issues with delusions of sobriety. C-lam being the worst. I’d be concerned about its half life. Don’t want to dose just a couple or few tabs and be that way for a few days when you were looking for a night to relax.

davidbanner62 · Sunday at 6:33 PM

tiquanunderwood said:
6mg br0m0n0r = 10mg Valium roughly.

That's my experience over several grams of last years batch.

Jayplug77 said:
Just about anything besides high doses of midazolam, etc are going to have much less issues with delusions of sobriety. C-lam being the worst. I’d be concerned about its half life. Don’t want to dose just a couple or few tabs and be that way for a few days when you were looking for a night to relax.

exactly totally agree. There's no way of u can try to function, or just go day to day with Clobro, your tolerence just keeps getting higher and higher. Wont even feel it

tiquanunderwood · Monday at 3:01 AM

davidbanner62 said:
exactly totally agree. There's no way of u can try to function, or just go day to day with Clobro, your tolerence just keeps getting higher and higher. Wont even feel it

Well it has the muscle relaxant properties of V@lium if dosed above suggested 6mg. But similar to V@lium those effects go away after a few hours, but if dosed higher than therapeutic, you'll feel it the next day. I don't suggest that. I suggest keep tolerances low. But I've made my mistakes too. Start at 5-6mg/ml per mg for your solution. Take 6mg, wait a an hour and a half or so, then if you need more take more (you have it volumetrically dosed) so you can add another 3 mg or another full dose of 6, equaling 12mg. That's equivalent to 20mg of V@lium.

Blackout potential is much much less on this. Doesn't mean it can't though. And the half life is long so you'll be blacked out for a good duration of time

LW815 · Monday at 6:52 AM

tiquanunderwood said:
Well it has the muscle relaxant properties of V@lium if dosed above suggested 6mg. But similar to V@lium those effects go away after a few hours, but if dosed higher than therapeutic, you'll feel it the next day. I don't suggest that. I suggest keep tolerances low. But I've made my mistakes too. Start at 5-6mg/ml per mg for your solution. Take 6mg, wait a an hour and a half or so, then if you need more take more (you have it volumetrically dosed) so you can add another 3 mg or another full dose of 6, equaling 12mg. That's equivalent to 20mg of V@lium.

Blackout potential is much much less on this. Doesn't mean it can't though. And the half life is long so you'll be blacked out for a good duration of time

You’re saying br0m0n°r has a very long HL? I was interested in it as Valery is my personal favorite b£nz. I also can’t be assed with making my own solutions which is why I’ve avoided damn near every are see b£nz except pr£$$€s, but still hardly even use those and just seek out legit Valery or Alpine amps.

My T and reading habit for them are very low, and I have a pretty good millimeter grandma

- would you say it’s safe enough to just measure out 6 of br0m0nǒr? I know not vol. d0sing isn’t the brightest idea(and I don’t recommend not doing it for anybody) but I’m a relatively smart person and very good at what I do and while I still always use the appropriate tools to measure, I make my own c@ps of OhDies Empty and can accurately eyeball any amount I’ve actually attempted to thus far(within 2-3pg). I still always check obviously, it’s more so me just checking my ability against myself for no reason other than to see if I’m accurate.

Anyway, as somebody with a low b£nz T would I just be screwing myself by getting into the above mentioned? Should I go with some premade @viz o phone solu.s instead? I feel even the p0w on that might be more ideal, as it’s a larger conversion(2x vs .6 or so correct?) if I’m not mistaken so a little easier to not accidentally read more than intended.

Jayplug77 · Monday at 9:52 AM

LW815 said:
You’re saying br0m0n°r has a very long HL? I was interested in it as Valery is my personal favorite b£nz. I also can’t be assed with making my own solutions which is why I’ve avoided damn near every are see b£nz except pr£$$€s, but still hardly even use those and just seek out legit Valery or Alpine amps.

My T and reading habit for them are very low, and I have a pretty good millimeter grandma - would you say it’s safe enough to just measure out 6 of br0m0nǒr? I know not vol. d0sing isn’t the brightest idea(and I don’t recommend not doing it for anybody) but I’m a relatively smart person and very good at what I do and while I still always use the appropriate tools to measure, I make my own c@ps of OhDies Empty and can accurately eyeball any amount I’ve actually attempted to thus far(within 2-3pg). I still always check obviously, it’s more so me just checking my ability against myself for no reason other than to see if I’m accurate.

Anyway, as somebody with a low b£nz T would I just be screwing myself by getting into the above mentioned? Should I go with some premade @viz o phone solu.s instead? I feel even the p0w on that might be more ideal, as it’s a larger conversion(2x vs .6 or so correct?) if I’m not mistaken so a little easier to not accidentally read more than intended.

Ok, lots to unload here so give a moment. I will reply. I have experience with diazepam and its analogues.

Yes, it has an extremely long half life. I believe I mistyped an 8 instead of a 7 earlier, but 72 hours is accurate from 3 different sources I’ve read.

This makes dosing even more important. People can be quite careless with benzo doses especially if they are ONLY using benzos. However, things that last literally 3 days, just for half of it to be eliminated? Crazy.

Now, if you play around with the right dose and it seems like @tiquanunderwood has the 10mg diazepam equivalency, (6mg I believe), then in that case you could be having nearly 200 capsules of something from a single gram of powder that provides good anxiety relief dosing once every 2-3 days.

It’s longer acting, naturally less addicting, from the acts of redosing to delusions of sobriety.

When you say millimeter scale, do you mean a milligram scale? If so, yes but make sure it’s accurate. Microgram scales would be best.

To answer your most important question, this is about the least addictive way I can see someone getting into benzos and the slowest way to build tolerance. If you feel yourself wanting more, increase by 1mg. If you need something more than that, something more potent but shorter acting may be of use in the future.

I’m glad to hear you are doing and that you are a smart person, but do not be afraid to double or triple check doses you’re making. Leave ego at the door.

Avizafone, not the worse idea but it’s not a great idea. The reported half life is less than stated during my personal studies and much less of a relaxing high than regular diazepam, being a prodrug I expected about the purest diazepam anyone could offer being made by my own body, not the case.

The more you learn the more you realize you don’t know anything. Hopefully this helps, don’t be afraid to DM me for help, anyone for that matter, reach out.

tiquanunderwood · Monday at 10:00 AM

LW815 said:
You’re saying br0m0n°r has a very long HL? I was interested in it as Valery is my personal favorite b£nz. I also can’t be assed with making my own solutions which is why I’ve avoided damn near every are see b£nz except pr£$$€s, but still hardly even use those and just seek out legit Valery or Alpine amps.

My T and reading habit for them are very low, and I have a pretty good millimeter grandma - would you say it’s safe enough to just measure out 6 of br0m0nǒr? I know not vol. d0sing isn’t the brightest idea(and I don’t recommend not doing it for anybody) but I’m a relatively smart person and very good at what I do and while I still always use the appropriate tools to measure, I make my own c@ps of OhDies Empty and can accurately eyeball any amount I’ve actually attempted to thus far(within 2-3pg). I still always check obviously, it’s more so me just checking my ability against myself for no reason other than to see if I’m accurate.

Anyway, as somebody with a low b£nz T would I just be screwing myself by getting into the above mentioned? Should I go with some premade @viz o phone solu.s instead? I feel even the p0w on that might be more ideal, as it’s a larger conversion(2x vs .6 or so correct?) if I’m not mistaken so a little easier to not accidentally read more than intended.

Just message me and I can give you exact instructions on how to make a solution, it'll save you a lot. (if that's allowed) If it's not, there's plenty of resources out there.

No, I would never suggest anyone do that. Too many things can go wrong. The only medical literature study I can find says 87 hours, while I'm pretty sure one V@lium's metabolites (forget which one) is almost 200. It's not quite that long, but it's long. I even think it's longer than the 87 in the study. And while it's not as blackout prone like clobro or bromazolam, it could definitely be for a non-tolerant individual.

And what I meant was, after you take v@lium lets say for recreational purposes, you might feel the anti-anxiety, muscle relaxing, etc. effects but they usually wear off acutely around the 4-5 hour mark. However, that compound is still in your body for another 3 days.

I saw dude above actually just responded to you. And he said everything right. If you're going down this lane, either purchase a magnetic stirrer, some mason jars, 30ml amber vials, and some PG; or buy premade solutions. Though, you didn't see the amount the vendor put in those. And I'm almost sure you don't work in a lab, so I would highly doubt you have the ability to accurately measure 6mg. Like yeah, there's a little wiggle room with this one since its not so potent and hypnotic, but I would never try to dose on scale found at a store or on the popular online retailer. I hate to even suggest this, but at least weigh 50mg of powder, then seperate into two, then again, and again. But you still don't know the exact MG you're getting.

Plus, I think making solutions is fun. This one dissolves best at 5mg per ml, but I have it in 6.6mg per ml. Just took a couple water baths and maybe 25 minutes on the mag stirrer. That's in 100% PG.

I'm glad you're asking questions because one mistake and this could impact your life very negatively.

Jayplug77 · Monday at 10:14 AM

You have great information here. Number 4 size VG caps would work well also, some natural filler, makes for more convenient dosing. But that’s if you’re doing everything right, like a lot of things in life.

You know it’s funny because I got my hands on some of this exact compound from Saturn today, am I allowed to say that? They released it now so I think I’m alright.

Go grab some but remember, DOSE!! For someone non tolerant, @tiquanunderwood made a great point. You don’t want to overdo it. Personally, if you ever ever had a Valium dose and enjoyed it and it wasn’t too much or too little, convert it, but I’d give yourself an mg or two less. You don’t want to be a little “zombiefied” for 3 days haha

Jayplug77 · Monday at 10:17 AM

tiquanunderwood said:
Just message me and I can give you exact instructions on how to make a solution, it'll save you a lot. (if that's allowed) If it's not, there's plenty of resources out there.

No, I would never suggest anyone do that. Too many things can go wrong. The only medical literature study I can find says 87 hours, while I'm pretty sure one V@lium's metabolites (forget which one) is almost 200. It's not quite that long, but it's long. I even think it's longer than the 87 in the study. And while it's not as blackout prone like clobro or bromazolam, it could definitely be for a non-tolerant individual.

And what I meant was, after you take v@lium lets say for recreational purposes, you might feel the anti-anxiety, muscle relaxing, etc. effects but they usually wear off acutely around the 4-5 hour mark. However, that compound is still in your body for another 3 days.

I saw dude above actually just responded to you. And he said everything right. If you're going down this lane, either purchase a magnetic stirrer, some mason jars, 30ml amber vials, and some PG; or buy premade solutions. Though, you didn't see the amount the vendor put in those. And I'm almost sure you don't work in a lab, so I would highly doubt you have the ability to accurately measure 6mg. Like yeah, there's a little wiggle room with this one since its not so potent and hypnotic, but I would never try to dose on scale found at a store or on the popular online retailer. I hate to even suggest this, but at least weigh 50mg of powder, then seperate into two, then again, and again. But you still don't know the exact MG you're getting.

Plus, I think making solutions is fun. This one dissolves best at 5mg per ml, but I have it in 6.6mg per ml. Just took a couple water baths and maybe 25 minutes on the mag stirrer. That's in 100% PG.

I'm glad you're asking questions because one mistake and this could impact your life very negatively.

He’s right on the money and that last sentence, no truer words ever spoken. Speak up and don’t be afraid to ask, no question is stupid when it’s your health/life.

Jayplug77 · Monday at 10:21 AM

Yeah, accurate measuring equipment is vital. It’s really that simple, this isn’t baby laxative when things can be active in the mcg. Haha

tiquanunderwood · Monday at 10:26 AM

Jayplug77 said:
You have great information here. Number 4 size VG caps would work well also, some natural filler, makes for more convenient dosing. But that’s if you’re doing everything right, like a lot of things in life.

You know it’s funny because I got my hands on some of this exact compound from Saturn today, am I allowed to say that? They released it now so I think I’m alright.

Go grab some but remember, DOSE!! For someone non tolerant, @tiquanunderwood made a great point. You don’t want to overdo it. Personally, if you ever ever had a Valium dose and enjoyed it and it wasn’t too much or too little, convert it, but I’d give yourself an mg or two less. You don’t want to be a little “zombiefied” for 3 days haha

Your post was very helpful. Mine would've been twice as long if you hadn't responded first.

Yeah, they sent me some a bit back so I've been researching it for them prior to the COA. I'm going to do a bigger review but it feels like the br0m0n0r I know and love if that gives you reassurance. It'll be posted on Saturn's forum page.

ochemdim · Monday at 11:05 AM

I agree with J and T, anything under 50+ pages I wouldn’t even attempt to eyeball. Each mag is gonna have a different density, bromo may be more or less hygroscopic than oď$mț, etc. What kind of equipment do you have? I work with analytic@l balances accurate down to 0.1 m-g and I still wouldn’t toss and wash. Be safe bro

ochemdim · Monday at 11:15 AM

LW815 said:
You’re saying br0m0n°r has a very long HL? I was interested in it as Valery is my personal favorite b£nz. I also can’t be assed with making my own solutions which is why I’ve avoided damn near every are see b£nz except pr£$$€s, but still hardly even use those and just seek out legit Valery or Alpine amps.

My T and reading habit for them are very low, and I have a pretty good millimeter grandma - would you say it’s safe enough to just measure out 6 of br0m0nǒr? I know not vol. d0sing isn’t the brightest idea(and I don’t recommend not doing it for anybody) but I’m a relatively smart person and very good at what I do and while I still always use the appropriate tools to measure, I make my own c@ps of OhDies Empty and can accurately eyeball any amount I’ve actually attempted to thus far(within 2-3pg). I still always check obviously, it’s more so me just checking my ability against myself for no reason other than to see if I’m accurate.

Anyway, as somebody with a low b£nz T would I just be screwing myself by getting into the above mentioned? Should I go with some premade @viz o phone solu.s instead? I feel even the p0w on that might be more ideal, as it’s a larger conversion(2x vs .6 or so correct?) if I’m not mistaken so a little easier to not accidentally read more than intended.

And to answer one of your original questions lol, I think preordered mags typically have less pages than printing yourself but depends on the vend and may just be an anecdotal opinion on my part. Getting a big stack of mags to print yourself is cheaper too but can be problematic though for obvious reasons..

Jayplug77 · Monday at 11:21 AM

ochemdim said:
And to answer one of your original questions lol, I think preordered mags typically have less pages than printing yourself but depends on the vend and may just be an anecdotal opinion on my part. Getting a big stack of mags to print yourself is cheaper too but can be problematic though for obvious reasons..

Mind sending me a dm? I’ve been looking for a place that has actual newspaper presses, even manual ones if the story is worth it for me. Know what I mean?

ochemdim · Monday at 11:40 AM

Jayplug77 said:
Mind sending me a dm? I’ve been looking for a place that has actual newspaper presses, even manual ones if the story is worth it for me. Know what I mean?

Yeah no worries. I’d say @tiquanunderwood may be better able to point you in the right direction though if he’s willing

tiquanunderwood · Monday at 12:22 PM

Jayplug77 said:
Mind sending me a dm? I’ve been looking for a place that has actual newspaper presses, even manual ones if the story is worth it for me. Know what I mean?

I don't mess with presses. They've created nothing but trouble for me and other people I know. They're way too strong now. I highly recommend if you go this route, you buy the raw tested powder and make solutions. It's so easy. I could give you a step by step instruction. I'm just all about harm reduction, not tryna hate on pressies but yeah.

And if I misunderstood what you're asking, my bad.

Jayplug77 · Monday at 12:29 PM

tiquanunderwood said:
I don't mess with presses. They've created nothing but trouble for me and other people I know. They're way too strong now. I highly recommend if you go this route, you buy the raw tested powder and make solutions. It's so easy. I could give you a step by step instruction. I'm just all about harm reduction, not tryna hate on pressies but yeah.

And if I misunderstood what you're asking, my bad.

Not a problem at all, slight misunderstanding. I was talking about the equipment let’s say, to do it myself make it safer for personal use

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