Would anyone be interested in a br0m0n0rd1azep@m taper log?

Thanks man! I have a question: is there a source on that 8:1 ratio between Br0m0n0re and Diaz? Just curious cause I know i need to properly read my shit when it gets below 15pg on my .000 weighter... you know.
So unfortunately the 6 pages is equal to 10 of d1@z3p@m claim is solely anecdotal as far as I can tell. For now I would stick to around 8mg per ml. Dissolves great in PG with a little heat and mag stirrer. And we don't know what other medications these subjects were on, but then again they could feel the anxiety leave their mind and body without any lethargy or hypnosis:

I really think even though it's so similar to d1@z3p@m or nordi@z3p@m, it acts quite different. Pubmed has one focused pretty much on gid@z3p@m, and then there's one more in English I'm reading and they hit on its main metabolite, br0m0n0rd1@z3p@m. And that's what we're all interested in.

It's a metabolite of gid@zep@m.(G1d@z3p@m is 2:1 weaker than v@l1um; 20 pages of gid@z3p@m is approximately 10 pages of Valium, but they act differently,.despite being so chemically similar. It does not hit nearly the amount of the bzd sites that most and almost all potent ones do. It hits the normal ones like

From scientific literature:

"Gid@zepam has prominent anxiolytic properties without producing the sedative and muscle relaxant effects that are associated with other benzodiazepines, such as diaz3p@m."

These research chemical websites are quoting a dose of 6–9 mg for desalkygidazepam (for ethical reasons, no information for specific sites are given), and this dosage is supported by the various trip reports. The user comments from “trip reports” also confirm the lack of sedative effects, the long half-life and the anxiolytic effects, but also that gidazepam and desalkylgidazepam use may not become widespread. Some comments are as follows: “It’s a quite functional benzo, very little hypnotic effects but eliminates anxiety very well [.] I’ve got up to 30 mg with it and no ill effects from that dosage […] I feel like it would be a good tapering benzo due to the long half-life and not much recreational potential”

It seems the vendors just settled on a little more than gid@z3p@m's conversion to v@l1um. Which does make sense as it is more potent by weight and but is really only an anxiolytic. But isn't this the kind of ch3ms a lot of people wanted. This is one of the safer ones we've had in awhile, especially because it's common to combine depressants (op10d$, a1c0h0l, g@b@p3ntoids, and geehbhhbeeee.

This suggests a wide separation between the anxiolytic and sedative dosages of gidazepam, when compared with diazepam, an example of a typical benzodiazepine. In human studies, the lack of sedative effects of gidazepam is confirmed, for example, in a controlled study where subjects were given either 100 mg of gidazepam or a placebo for 14 days and then asked to perform psychological testing investigating alertness, reaction time, attention and memory, there was no significant difference between the placebo and gidazepam (30, 31).

Br0m0n0r is an amazing taper drug, and i think the medical community should look at it as a potential future medication since it literally solely alleviates anxiety, unless you REALLY push the dose like I said. And that's not worth it and expensive.and I think primarily that's how it should be used. Otherwise you're wasting money taking a not very potent benzo.(effects wise, still not sure about the dose since that was all anecdotal).

That's why the withdrawal depends on the compound used and not just time on,.etc. Ive found through personal experience and medical journals that some ch3m1c4ls really just shouldn't be out on the street. Some have a higher binding affinity to the receptors than others.



Anyways, I believe that br0m0 acts more like it's parent compound gidzepam, just more potent by weight and it hits g@b@ A harder than gid@z3p@m. Gidazepam is one of the more gentle b3mz0s out there, like pyr@zol@m with a really long half life . Therefore, since it's not hammering almost every BZD site in your brain, this should result in an easier, well not as harsh, taper and withdrawal compared to br0m@z0l@m, flu@lpr@zol@m, c1onaz0l4m, and regular old @lpr@z0l@m, theoretically. List goes on. Tri@zolam is a good one for a procedure, pretty potent. This is theory that has some roots to it.

I know we're talking br0m0m0r..But because there's another much better scientific study done on gid@z3pam and it delves semi-deeply into its main active metabolite, br0m0m0rdi@zep@m.

From the study (this was done on rats, not humans):

From scientific literature:

"Gid@zepam has prominent anxiolytic properties without producing the sedative and muscle relaxant effects that are associated with other benzodiazepines, such as diaz3p@m."

Anecdotal notes:

These research chemical websites are quoting a dose of 6–9 mg for desalkygidazepam (for ethical reasons, no information for specific sites are given), and this dosage is supported by the various trip reports. The user comments from “trip reports” also confirm the lack of sedative effects, the long half-life and the anxiolytic effects, but also that gidazepam and desalkylgidazepam use may not become widespread. Some comments are as follows: “It’s a quite functional benzo, very little hypnotic effects but eliminates anxiety very well [.] I’ve got up to 30 mg with it and no ill effects from that dosage […] I feel like it would be a good tapering benzo due to the long half-life and not much recreational potential”

^^^^Those statements above are all anecdotal. People like you and me taking it and recording their experiences which is great, but we don't know what else they have taken,.etc., and there's several ways for errors to occur this way. But their statements seem to add up to my experience.

Theres one control study done with humans, at least that I could get in English. Here it is:

"This suggests a wide separation between the anxiolytic and sedative dosages of gid@z3pam, when compared with di@zepam as an example of a typical b3nzodiazepine. In human studies, the lack of sedative effects of gidazepam is confirmed, for example, in a controlled study where subjects were given either 100 mg of gidazepam or a placebo for 14 days and then asked to perform psychological testing investigating alertness, reaction time, attention and memory, there was no significant difference between the placebo and gidazepam (30, 31)."

Quick comment: that's pretty wild. 100 pagea and there was no significant difference in physical and mental performance. Wow.

Br0m0n0r is an amazing taper drug, and I think primarily that's how it should be used. Otherwise you're wasting money taking a not very potent b3nzo.(effects wise, still not sure about the dose since that was all anecdotal). But it's a safer one. And I'm all about harm reduction.

That's why the withdrawal depends on the compound used and not just time on, amount etc. Ive found through personal experience and medical journals that some ch3m1c4ls really just shouldn't be available, or for those that really do their research lol. Some have a higher binding affinity to the receptors than others.

Anyways, I believe that br0m0 is decently potent as far as anxiety alleviation goes and getting off of these chems ultimately, but this won't fuck you up and make you forget your problems unless you take 80 pages. Gid@zepam is one of the more gentle b3nz0s out there, and this is its main metabolite. It did show in the studies that it's absolutely more potent by weight, but that doesn't necessarily mess with the effects of the compound. I think of br0m0n0r like pyr@zol@m with a really long half life . Therefore, since it's not hammering almost every BZD site in your brain, this should result in an easier, well not as harsh, taper and withdrawal compared to br0m@z0l@m, flu@lpr@zol@m, c1onaz0l4m, and regular old @lpr@z0l@m. List goes on.

Maybe a chemist can chime in, but it's not a full agonist at the G@B@ A receptor, so to me that could mean not as intense withdrawals, length would still be the same. At least that's how it works for some other variety of ch3ms.

Anyways, sorry if this a bit unorganized. I didn't use any AI and that took me over 2 hours using a phone to type. I love researching. I love learning. This is all interesting to me. But i didn't want to use my work computer to look at any of this lol. Don't worry I finished my workload by 12 and had to hang around till 3 so this passed the time fast!
 
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I put a lot of work in that post above. Hook a brother with a like :)

And with it not being a full agonist at the g@b@ A receptor, that's why people with habits like bromazolam and clobro claim they can't "feel it". Well that's because you're not blacking out all the time rocking an IQ of 20, making poor decisions, and have to be an adult and deal with them lol.

Trust me, I went down that road many years ago. Not fun. Now that everything is stabilizing in my life it's time to put this addiction behind me.

But I totally understand where you are at! I'm not out of the woods myself quite yet but if you ever want to PM and chat if something is bothering you. Let's do it up. This isn't towards a particular user but for everyone.
 
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Thanks man! I have a question: is there a source on that 8:1 ratio between Br0m0n0re and Diaz? Just curious cause I know i need to properly read my shit when it gets below 15pg on my .000 weighter... you know.
One of the scientific papers I read has their weight as raws and molar weight. Your question is a little confusing. If you need a volumetric dosing calculator for like calculating your solution, here you go: https://volume.tripsit.me/
 
So unfortunately the 6 pages is equal to 10 of d1@z3p@m claim is solely anecdotal as far as I can tell. For now I would stick to around 8mg per ml. Dissolves great in PG with a little heat and mag stirrer. And we don't know what other medications these subjects were on, but then again they could feel the anxiety leave their mind and body without any lethargy or hypnosis:

I really think even though it's so similar to d1@z3p@m or nordi@z3p@m, it acts quite different. Pubmed has one focused pretty much on gid@z3p@m, and then there's one more in English I'm reading and they hit on its main metabolite, br0m0n0rd1@z3p@m. And that's what we're all interested in.

It's a metabolite of gid@zep@m.(G1d@z3p@m is 2:1 weaker than v@l1um; 20 pages of gid@z3p@m is approximately 10 pages of Valium, but they act differently,.despite being so chemically similar. It does not hit nearly the amount of the bzd sites that most and almost all potent ones do. It hits the normal ones like

From scientific literature:

"Gid@zepam has prominent anxiolytic properties without producing the sedative and muscle relaxant effects that are associated with other benzodiazepines, such as diaz3p@m."

These research chemical websites are quoting a dose of 6–9 mg for desalkygidazepam (for ethical reasons, no information for specific sites are given), and this dosage is supported by the various trip reports. The user comments from “trip reports” also confirm the lack of sedative effects, the long half-life and the anxiolytic effects, but also that gidazepam and desalkylgidazepam use may not become widespread. Some comments are as follows: “It’s a quite functional benzo, very little hypnotic effects but eliminates anxiety very well [.] I’ve got up to 30 mg with it and no ill effects from that dosage […] I feel like it would be a good tapering benzo due to the long half-life and not much recreational potential”

It seems the vendors just settled on a little more than gid@z3p@m's conversion to v@l1um. Which does make sense as it is more potent by weight and but is really only an anxiolytic. But isn't this the kind of ch3ms a lot of people wanted. This is one of the safer ones we've had in awhile, especially because it's common to combine depressants (op10d$, a1c0h0l, g@b@p3ntoids, and geehbhhbeeee.

This suggests a wide separation between the anxiolytic and sedative dosages of gidazepam, when compared with diazepam, an example of a typical benzodiazepine. In human studies, the lack of sedative effects of gidazepam is confirmed, for example, in a controlled study where subjects were given either 100 mg of gidazepam or a placebo for 14 days and then asked to perform psychological testing investigating alertness, reaction time, attention and memory, there was no significant difference between the placebo and gidazepam (30, 31).

Br0m0n0r is an amazing taper drug, and i think the medical community should look at it as a potential future medication since it literally solely alleviates anxiety, unless you REALLY push the dose like I said. And that's not worth it and expensive.and I think primarily that's how it should be used. Otherwise you're wasting money taking a not very potent benzo.(effects wise, still not sure about the dose since that was all anecdotal).

That's why the withdrawal depends on the compound used and not just time on,.etc. Ive found through personal experience and medical journals that some ch3m1c4ls really just shouldn't be out on the street. Some have a higher binding affinity to the receptors than others.



Anyways, I believe that br0m0 acts more like it's parent compound gidzepam, just more potent by weight and it hits g@b@ A harder than gid@z3p@m. Gidazepam is one of the more gentle b3mz0s out there, like pyr@zol@m with a really long half life . Therefore, since it's not hammering almost every BZD site in your brain, this should result in an easier, well not as harsh, taper and withdrawal compared to br0m@z0l@m, flu@lpr@zol@m, c1onaz0l4m, and regular old @lpr@z0l@m, theoretically. List goes on. Tri@zolam is a good one for a procedure, pretty potent. This is theory that has some roots to it.

I know we're talking br0m0m0r..But because there's another much better scientific study done on gid@z3pam and it delves semi-deeply into its main active metabolite, br0m0m0rdi@zep@m.

From the study (this was done on rats, not humans):

From scientific literature:

"Gid@zepam has prominent anxiolytic properties without producing the sedative and muscle relaxant effects that are associated with other benzodiazepines, such as diaz3p@m."

Anecdotal notes:

These research chemical websites are quoting a dose of 6–9 mg for desalkygidazepam (for ethical reasons, no information for specific sites are given), and this dosage is supported by the various trip reports. The user comments from “trip reports” also confirm the lack of sedative effects, the long half-life and the anxiolytic effects, but also that gidazepam and desalkylgidazepam use may not become widespread. Some comments are as follows: “It’s a quite functional benzo, very little hypnotic effects but eliminates anxiety very well [.] I’ve got up to 30 mg with it and no ill effects from that dosage […] I feel like it would be a good tapering benzo due to the long half-life and not much recreational potential”

^^^^Those statements above are all anecdotal. People like you and me taking it and recording their experiences which is great, but we don't know what else they have taken,.etc., and there's several ways for errors to occur this way. But their statements seem to add up to my experience.

Theres one control study done with humans, at least that I could get in English. Here it is:

"This suggests a wide separation between the anxiolytic and sedative dosages of gid@z3pam, when compared with di@zepam as an example of a typical b3nzodiazepine. In human studies, the lack of sedative effects of gidazepam is confirmed, for example, in a controlled study where subjects were given either 100 mg of gidazepam or a placebo for 14 days and then asked to perform psychological testing investigating alertness, reaction time, attention and memory, there was no significant difference between the placebo and gidazepam (30, 31)."

Quick comment: that's pretty wild. 100 pagea and there was no significant difference in physical and mental performance. Wow.

Br0m0n0r is an amazing taper drug, and I think primarily that's how it should be used. Otherwise you're wasting money taking a not very potent b3nzo.(effects wise, still not sure about the dose since that was all anecdotal). But it's a safer one. And I'm all about harm reduction.

That's why the withdrawal depends on the compound used and not just time on, amount etc. Ive found through personal experience and medical journals that some ch3m1c4ls really just shouldn't be available, or for those that really do their research lol. Some have a higher binding affinity to the receptors than others.

Anyways, I believe that br0m0 is decently potent as far as anxiety alleviation goes and getting off of these chems ultimately, but this won't fuck you up and make you forget your problems unless you take 80 pages. Gid@zepam is one of the more gentle b3nz0s out there, and this is its main metabolite. It did show in the studies that it's absolutely more potent by weight, but that doesn't necessarily mess with the effects of the compound. I think of br0m0n0r like pyr@zol@m with a really long half life . Therefore, since it's not hammering almost every BZD site in your brain, this should result in an easier, well not as harsh, taper and withdrawal compared to br0m@z0l@m, flu@lpr@zol@m, c1onaz0l4m, and regular old @lpr@z0l@m. List goes on.

Maybe a chemist can chime in, but it's not a full agonist at the G@B@ A receptor, so to me that could mean not as intense withdrawals, length would still be the same. At least that's how it works for some other variety of ch3ms.

Anyways, sorry if this a bit unorganized. I didn't use any AI and that took me over 2 hours using a phone to type. I love researching. I love learning. This is all interesting to me. But i didn't want to use my work computer to look at any of this lol. Don't worry I finished my workload by 12 and had to hang around till 3 so this passed the time fast!
Killer explanation. My hat's off to you. Personally been debating on getting into chemistry and/or pharmacology or pharmacokinetics. Since I know how all the main books read ya know? From the long-acting benzo to the weird feelings of pcp-analogues, to the craziest trips from 2cb!

Also I agree on your point of having a different withdrawal due to either the chemical you were studying and/or your mental strength during such a troubling time. I wanted to say I think it's true as since my kayp1n drop, ive noticed what you could call a "different flavored" withdrawal from that particular benzo. Br0m0 helps provide a stable floor for me at only reading 20pgs every 3 days along with 1-2pg kays every other day. Im just keeping myself stable right now...
 
Sorry I reread my long post and copied the same paragraph in 2 separate spots. Thought I deleted one of them. Oh well. Still reads fine.
 
Killer explanation. My hat's off to you. Personally been debating on getting into chemistry and/or pharmacology or pharmacokinetics. Since I know how all the main books read ya know? From the long-acting benzo to the weird feelings of pcp-analogues, to the craziest trips from 2cb!

Also I agree on your point of having a different withdrawal due to either the chemical you were studying and/or your mental strength during such a troubling time. I wanted to say I think it's true as since my kayp1n drop, ive noticed what you could call a "different flavored" withdrawal from that particular benzo. Br0m0 helps provide a stable floor for me at only reading 20pgs every 3 days along with 1-2pg kays every other day. Im just keeping myself stable right now...
Really smart to establish that 20 page base with br0m0 (and it will build up if you take it every day due to the half life, but it's a partial agonist so it's not like FP@M where after 3 days you're slobbering and can't drive your car). It's really effective for GAD. I would finish your 0p13 taper which you're well on your way.

Then yeah, that's the exact strat I would use. Taper my kp1ns off first as long as it doesn't fuck with my psych meds, specifcally the cl0n@z3p@m even though I believe you stated you've been stashing (and maybe you don't get them from a doctor, or you do and you realize it's time to come off). Then coming off 20 pages of br0m0nor would be a breeze. Especially if you dropped 2mg per 7-10 days, it should be pretty damn comfortable. As long as you have the supply, you can take it as slow as you want. And you're already executing a successful op13 taper. You got this. One compound at a time man.
 
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any idea for help form ethylbromazolam? Been taking 4-6mg 3x daily for a couple months and just got a gram of bromonordiazepam to try and taper. Still have 400mg of ethylbromazolam too.
 
any idea for help form ethylbromazolam? Been taking 4-6mg 3x daily for a couple months and just got a gram of bromonordiazepam to try and taper. Still have 400mg of ethylbromazolam too.
Yeah I can give you an idea on where to start. And then you go on how you feel from there. I'm gonna try to edit this post with the necessary info, but it might be a new one if I run out of time.

Here's how these medications work and make you less anxious, etc.: "The pharmacological activity of BZDs is determined by the type of GABAA receptor α subunit to which they bind. Thus, the sedative, anterograde annesiac and anticonvulsant actions, as well as the addictive potential of these drugs, require the presence of α1-containing GABAA receptors, while the anxiolytic effects are mediated by GABAA receptors containing α2 subunits, and the myorelaxant actions by GABAA receptors containing α2, α3, and α5 subunits [2]." I don't know every subunit br0m@z hits but I imagine 3thylbrom@z hits less of them, more of the a2 than a1.

Keep in mind: There is no scientific literature or papers on br0m@z0l@m or 3thyl-bromaz. We do not definitely know the half life or potency.

What makes this different from br0m@z0l@m is the inclusion of an ethyl group instead of a methyl group on the triazole ring. So, according to anecdotes because there is absolutely NO literature on PubM3d or the other medical literature sites I use. Plus most of the time testing is on animals so its hard to draw conclusions. But in other compounds, the inclusion of the 3thyl group makes it less potent with a longer half life than its parent RC derivative, br0m@z0l@m.

THIS IS NOT EXACT. But, by anecdotes and my own experience, replacing this makes the potency about 2-3X less than br0m@zolam I believe. So 2mg br0m@z0l@m is equivalent to approximately 6-8mg of 3thyl-br0m@z0l@m. I've read anecdotes of people taking upwards of 20+mg of 3thyl-brom and not feeling much, but I have a feeling these people were already dependent on something like 6 mags of br0maz0lam, so tolerance is a major factor there.

So, the good news is its pretty weak! Which will make an easy transfer to br0m0nord1@zepam once you titrate down a bit.

You're at approximately 4-6 mags 3X daily of 3thylbrom, so lets round up for safety, and say you're taking 18 mags of 3thyl throughout the day. It's actually a good thing you split doses, because you don't want to take it all at once and pass out. We have to retrain our brain to sleep without these things all over our receptors. You can continue to taper the 3thylbr0m cutting a MG off of one of your doses every couple days. But you could reduce to twice a day, but if three times a day is working, stay there. You don't really want to feel it. Just no withdrawal and able to function and work and be there for people in your lives.

The common thought, since there's not much on a definitive half life for br0maz0l@m either, is 2 mags of br0maz is roughly equivalent to 6 mags of 3thyl-br0m. I believe it's about 3X the potency of br0m but with a longer half life. This all APPROXIMATE and anecdotal.

What I would do: Get down to 2mg of 3thylbr0m, 3 times per day. That puts you at 6 mg total for the day. Right there, you can immediately switch to 6-10 mags of br0m0n0r, start at 6 and if you need more, you need more. But don't expect to feel "high" "really relaxed", it's just really going to keep you out of withdrawal and feeling normal, maybe even good, keep your appetite up, and increase your sleep, which is CRUCIAL. I'm a huge gym guy and the rebound of br0m@z and cl0br0 were just making me so anxious in every situation. I'd still go but I didn't enjoy it. Switching to br0m0n0r was like night and day once my body and brain completely adjusted.

So let's say you start at 10 mags of br0m0n0r, depending on the amount you have (assuming its a gram) you can reduce by 1mg per 7-9 days and you will feel almost no withdrawals. It should be quite comfortable. The only uncomfortable part could be the initial switch, but I don't think it'll be bad as 3thyl isn't super potent. You can always take 2 mags of 3thyl at night, and the 10 mags of br0m0 in the morning or day time. I would do that if you're not sleeping and don't quet1ap1ne or anything. Then cut the 3thyl by .5 mg every 3 days and you'll be fully transferred to br0m0nor. You'll probably start to feel better, though personally I did like 3thylbrom more than br0m@z0l@m itself. It was too hypnotic, too short half life, not very fun.

Please secure the br0m0n0r soon if you haven't, it's starting to disappear. There will be more coming out though.
 
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any idea for help form ethylbromazolam? Been taking 4-6mg 3x daily for a couple months and just got a gram of bromonordiazepam to try and taper. Still have 400mg of ethylbromazolam too.
Information on that above your first post.
 
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