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Natalensis said:
Storing LSD at room temperature with NO PRECAUTIONS taken to protect the acid:
  • Blotter paper will usually retain its potency for 4-6 weeks
  • Liquid LSD stored in a clear dropper should remain potent for 4–6 weeks
  • Liquid LSD stored in an amber dropper should remain potent for 3–6 months
  • Microdots will often retain potency for 6–8 weeks
  • Sugar cubes naturally resist moisture and can last about 6-8 weeks
These timelines are based on the acid being exposed to ambient UV light, heat, and moisture. Source: Tripsitter
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Sugar doesn’t naturally resist moisture, it’s actually the opposite. Sugar is highly hygroscopic - it absorbs moisture from the surrounding air quickly and easily. Don’t store your stuff on sugar, I’m not sure where the author got that idea.
To be over the top safe, store it in nitrogen gas (nitrogen overlay). The nitrogen will displace any oxygen and moisture. If you don’t have that capability (like most people lol), then place a desiccant packet in a plastic bag with your items and use a vacuum sealer to remove any oxygen, then store it in a dark and cold area.
 
Blake11 said:
So that would make him one third stronger now there’s normally 900 if there’s 600 of these in their 1/3 stronger than they would be if they were 900 it’s simple math I felt stronger than one most definitely stronger than one I need to eat more of it before I can see whether I believe it’s np or not….
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If I’m understanding you correctly, one third of 600 is 200, not 300. But to be honest, I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. I’ve also never heard or seen a 6 sided sheet. I’m not an L enthusiast though
 
ochemdim said:
If I’m understanding you correctly, one third of 600 is 200, not 300. But to be honest, I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. I’ve also never heard or seen a 6 sided sheet. I’m not an L enthusiast though
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Page generally has 900 squares these pages had 600 squares. They’re the same dimensions as the 900 square pages so it should be 1/3 stronger I don’t know why you can’t. understand what I’m explaining it’s not hard I know my vocabulary is not the best you can understand what I’m saying
 
Blake11 said:
Page generally has 900 squares these pages had 600 squares. They’re the same dimensions as the 900 square pages so it should be 1/3 stronger I don’t know why you can’t. understand what I’m explaining it’s not hard I know my vocabulary is not the best you can understand what I’m saying
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He said it’s a 6 sided sheet and 600 squares. It’s a Hofmann Hexagonal which has 600 squares. If you’re saying it’s equivalent to a page (900 squares), then it’d be 1 and half times stronger. 900/600 =1.5. So 1/2 stronger. 1/3 less squares, yes, but not 1/3 stronger per square.
Not sure why you got upset and implied I can’t grasp simple math. My bad, I just couldn’t understand what you were trying to say. In any case, your math wasn’t even right… so that added to the confusion
 
ochemdim said:
He said it’s a 6 sided sheet and 600 squares. It’s a Hofmann Hexagonal which has 600 squares. If you’re saying it’s equivalent to a page (900 squares), then it’d be 1 and half times stronger. 900/600 =1.5. So 1/2 stronger. 1/3 less squares, yes, but not 1/3 stronger per square.
Not sure why you got upset and implied I can’t grasp simple math. My bad, I just couldn’t understand what you were trying to say. In any case, your math wasn’t even right… so that added to the confusion
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I’m not upset. Forgive me if you’re coming off that way I apologize.
 
Blake11 said:
I’m not upset. Forgive me if you’re coming off that way I apologize.
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No worries man, I appreciate the apology.
I’m sorry for being defensive and assuming your emotional state over an online chat room.
I’m glad the L was good though, that’s harder to come by these days! Would you recommend it?
 
ochemdim said:
No worries man, I appreciate the apology.
I’m sorry for being defensive and assuming your emotional state over an online chat room.
I’m glad the L was good though, that’s harder to come by these days! Would you recommend it?
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Yes, I would recommend it but I’m not sure if I would recommend it over pharmadaddy’s I’m gonna eat some of them tomorrow and I’ll let you know I’m not just judging on the highway I get it has a lot to do with the body load. I’m not sure if I need to eat more to be able to tell you Moore I know it’s what they say. It is though other than I’m not sure if the one is actually NP until I eat more of it.
 
Blake11 said:
Yes, I would recommend it but I’m not sure if I would recommend it over pharmadaddy’s I’m gonna eat some of them tomorrow and I’ll let you know I’m not just judging on the highway I get it has a lot to do with the body load. I’m not sure if I need to eat more to be able to tell you Moore I know it’s what they say. It is though other than I’m not sure if the one is actually NP until I eat more of it.
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Good to know man I appreciate it!
 
billtreehaust said:
I read the full article and am wondering what you reckon about the estimated shelf life if stored at room temperature, in a dark dry place, in an airtight container and wrapped in tin foil. Frankly I'm not too big a fan of the idea of storing it in a freezer for concerns of others accidentally discovering it when digging around for a bar of ice cream.
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I’d say what you’re doing is the next best thing. A lot of people are cautious about putting it in the freezer - I still wonder about that specifically, but I do it - I’ll report back in 10 years! 🤣

But certainly. If you store it airtight, keep it as consistently cool as you can, protected it from any light, avoid handling as much a possible, and IMO you’ll have extremely similar results. Years of preservation.

This all goes back to my theory - how many publishers have bulk pages that have sat for years - either by making too big a batch, or difficulty finding buyers, the longer it sits, the more potency is loss. That explains the range in strength you might encounter- its the storage habits of distributors; not the quantity of source product.
 
ochemdim said:
Sugar doesn’t naturally resist moisture, it’s actually the opposite. Sugar is highly hygroscopic - it absorbs moisture from the surrounding air quickly and easily. Don’t store your stuff on sugar, I’m not sure where the author got that idea.
To be over the top safe, store it in nitrogen gas (nitrogen overlay). The nitrogen will displace any oxygen and moisture. If you don’t have that capability (like most people lol), then place a desiccant packet in a plastic bag with your items and use a vacuum sealer to remove any oxygen, then store it in a dark and cold area.
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Yes, I think the bummer point about signed is pointing out that it’s a horrible preservation technique. 6-8 weeks is poor result in preservation time - I would agree
 
Blake11 said:
So that would make him one third stronger now there’s normally 900 if there’s 600 of these in their 1/3 stronger than they would be if they were 900 it’s simple math I felt stronger than one most definitely stronger than one I need to eat more of it before I can see whether I believe it’s np or not….
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No I think that would make his pages consistent only 6 sheets instead of 10 or 12.

The potency is unrelated to the geometry of the blotter. It seems stronger because we are starting to see fresh batches that haven’t had time to degrade yet.

We’ve been used to seeing old stock that has lost potency over time.
 
Natalensis said:
No I think that would make his pages consistent only 6 sheets instead of 10 or 12.

The potency is unrelated to the geometry of the blotter. It seems stronger because we are starting to see fresh batches that haven’t had time to degrade yet.

We’ve been used to seeing old stock that has lost potency over time.
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I’ve eaten this shit forever. It made my legs stiffen up. It made my muscles stiffen up that only happens from lower quality. needle points has Never done that to me ever and I’ve eaten plenty of needlepoint. I’m not bragging that was all I ate for a decade plus until my Hommie got back on drugs now I have to make due with fluff an there is difference in quality of L because g s cost varies from the same supplier generally 3 grades r available if you can get to the right person sliver, fluff or comparable to fluff(technically fluff with a way with Covid, but there was a replacement that is close to equal so I’m told I’m yet to try it but I trust where I’m getting the information) needlepoint cost double literally cost, double to buy than silver, and fluff, or fluff, like equivalent, to fluff would cost 2/3 of what np cost np was the most expensive unless Swiss np then it’s slightly more special
Oh n pages are generally 900 tabs in my experience perforated have always been 9oo
 
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Blake11 said:
I’ve eaten this shit forever. It made my legs stiffen up. It made my muscles stiffen up that only happens from lower quality. needle points has Never done that to me ever and I’ve eaten plenty of needlepoint. I’m not bragging that was all I ate for a decade plus until my Hommie got back on drugs now I have to make due with fluff an there is difference in quality of L because g s cost varies from the same supplier generally 3 grades r available if you can get to the right person sliver, fluff or comparable to fluff(technically fluff with a way with Covid, but there was a replacement that is close to equal so I’m told I’m yet to try it but I trust where I’m getting the information) needlepoint cost double literally cost, double to buy than silver, and fluff, or fluff, like equivalent, to fluff would cost 2/3 of what np cost np was the most expensive unless Swiss np then it’s slightly more special
Oh n pages are generally 900 tabs in my experience perforated have always been 9oo
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Just making sure I understand you correctly- it was the triangle doses that gave you those side effects with your legs, etc?

Also, I’m not entirely sure I understand what the term “needlepoint” means - how would you define it? I’ve heard a couple different versions of what that means.
 
Natalensis said:
Just making sure I understand you correctly- it was the triangle doses that gave you those side effects with your legs, etc?

Also, I’m not entirely sure I understand what the term “needlepoint” means - how would you define it? I’ve heard a couple different versions of what that means.
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Yes it was the triangle ones that had side effects that come with low grade.
The term needle point is when you look at the raw material under a microscope instead of having a blunt termination, the crystals, instead of having a blunt termination, they come to a point It has to be 98 1/2, 99% pure to not terminate blunt crystallization. It takes washing the product really far out for instance, low-grade cost half of what needlepoint cost and it sucks for people who claim they have needle point in it not the needlepoint is so shitty. It’s basically being ripped off as being stolen from.
 
Blake11 said:
Yes it was the triangle ones that had side effects that come with low grade.
The term needle point is when you look at the raw material under a microscope instead of having a blunt termination, the crystals, instead of having a blunt termination, they come to a point It has to be 98 1/2, 99% pure to not terminate blunt crystallization. It takes washing the product really far out for instance, low-grade cost half of what needlepoint cost and it sucks for people who claim they have needle point in it not the needlepoint is so shitty. It’s basically being ripped off as being stolen from.
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Forgive me for the way, I write I am dyslexic and I don’t write well obviously
 
@Blake11 - your description of NP, is definitely one that Ive heard before. You clearly have more knowledge of the synthesis of L. Based off of your description, i have a couple more follow up questions, if you don’t mind me asking?

can NP be synthesized in a way where the entire yield is np? Or do you always yield both types and need to separate it from the fluff/other grades? it always
 
Both types the further you clean it up ie 100% it becomes insoluble and actually flashes light when you shake it. No shit, Read Alexander Shulgin notes

Technically the answer to your question would be yes, but it would only be when a pharmaceutical company or someone that is really passionate about LSD production because most people are greedy and they would rather take that 80% first run and let it let it out, not clean it up let it out that’s what we call silver grade it’s not fit for human consumption! I’m almost positive the triangles were silver, but I’m not trying to start shit between that vendor because I actually like him he’s a nice guy and the subject of LSD takes wisdom you’re not gonna learn it from a book

In my experience to acquire needlepoint in the United States you need to know the people that are in touch with the Cook I’ve never known a Cook personally they are very reclusive! I have had a relationship with some doctors within the medical marijuana field that had relationship with a cook That’s how I had needlepoint for over a decade. If I purchased a page of fluff, I would get a sheet of needlepoint for yourself that was what they did for me. It would generally run me seven or 800 bucks with the sheet of needlepoint and for awhile needle2017-2020 ended with Covid and some military boys that were assigned to a nuclear launch sites in Wyoming got caught playing with it, which that caused a lot of attention and ended up with the Dr people getting raided any way tye np would come as dark green gels laid at 250 ug each they were expensive like 1800ish if you got a page I suppose if you do the math at 2.5 X then they really weren’t that crazy priced

Highest grade in the world is Swiss made by Sandoz pharmaceuticals in Switzerland, off of Hoffman’s work, or anyone that apprenticed under a Hoffman! The difference is night and day. True swiss needlepoint is amazingly beautiful! I’ve only looked up and had it one time in my life. I bought three sheets of it and the dealer tried to repurchase them back from me for a profit on my end and I went and interested in reselling and he and I are no longer friends so that’s how rare it is.
 
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Blake11 said:
Both types the further you clean it up ie 100% it becomes insoluble and actually flashes light when you shake it. No shit, Read Alexander Shulgin notes

Technically the answer to your question would be yes, but it would only be when a pharmaceutical company or someone that is really passionate about LSD production because most people are greedy and they would rather take that 80% first run and let it let it out, not clean it up let it out that’s what we call silver grade it’s not fit for human consumption! I’m almost positive the triangles were silver, but I’m not trying to start shit between that vendor because I actually like him he’s a nice guy and the subject of LSD takes wisdom you’re not gonna learn it from a book

In my experience to acquire needlepoint in the United States you need to know the people that are in touch with the Cook I’ve never known a Cook personally they are very reclusive! I have had a relationship with some doctors within the medical marijuana field that had relationship with a cook That’s how I had needlepoint for over a decade. If I purchased a page of fluff, I would get a sheet of needlepoint for yourself that was what they did for me. It would generally run me seven or 800 bucks with the sheet of needlepoint and for awhile needle2017-2020 ended with Covid and some military boys that were assigned to a nuclear launch sites in Wyoming got caught playing with it, which that caused a lot of attention and ended up with the Dr people getting raided any way tye np would come as dark green gels laid at 250 ug each they were expensive like 1800ish if you got a page I suppose if you do the math at 2.5 X then they really weren’t that crazy priced

Highest grade in the world is Swiss made by Sandoz pharmaceuticals in Switzerland, off of Hoffman’s work, or anyone that apprenticed under a Hoffman! The difference is night and day. True swiss needlepoint is amazingly beautiful! I’ve only looked up and had it one time in my life. I bought three sheets of it and the dealer tried to repurchase them back from me for a profit on my end and I went and interested in reselling and he and I are no longer friends so that’s how rare it is.
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All very interesting.
#1 I’m a little embarrassed to admit I have not read any of Shulgins work, but will definitely be my next read.

#2. Given all the time and attention to detail it takes to produce legit NP, what are the chances (in your opinion) that any of the stuff on the board labeled NP is actually NP?
 
Natalensis said:
All very interesting.
#1 I’m a little embarrassed to admit I have not read any of Shulgins work, but will definitely be my next read.

#2. Given all the time and attention to detail it takes to produce legit NP, what are the chances (in your opinion) that any of the stuff on the board labeled NP is actually NP?
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Not very high! Flufff is gonna be the best you find unless you get lucky and. Find Swiss contact
 
Natalensis said:
All very interesting.
#1 I’m a little embarrassed to admit I have not read any of Shulgins work, but will definitely be my next read.

#2. Given all the time and attention to detail it takes to produce legit NP, what are the chances (in your opinion) that any of the stuff on the board labeled NP is actually NP?
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annas-archive . li/search?q=shulgin - available in various formats, might get around to reading them one day.
 
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