Acquired this with hope that it might be comparable to 3-ho-pcp. Not even close. Tried 4 experiments with two ingestion methods; oral and plugged. Started low at first plugged 5mg ... nothing. brought it up 10mg more --- nothing. Up to 20mg more for a total of 35mg -- slightly off baseline.
Over the next few days tried orally. First two doses 20mg each. First 20mg dose produced some results after 1.5 hours -- long come up. A slight fleeting euphoria that was probably just confused for an alteration of consciousness and what I would call a typical disso wonkiness. Added another 20mg to mix and similar results, but nothing enjoyable. There was no desire to go higher and NO desire to mix anything else in. It had some dopamine activity that manifested in some talkativeness and a sort of disinhibited vibe that you would get with alcohol, but again not as enjoyable -- really a similar wonk could be gotten with DXM I believe. Over the next two days tried to integrate this into a low-level day buzz, but those two days both ended in dysphoria -- bad as in regret that I wasted time out of my life taking it. After stopping I noticed no negative after-effects the following day -- so that's a positive I guess.
Any time I have to fight with a substance and have a conversation with myself where I'm psyching myself into believing something good is going on when it's not is the kiss of death. I tossed the remainder.
This one didn't even come close to my requirements for a decent disso. 3-HO-PCP still fits that bill somewhat that it can be used daily in very low doses with judicious breaks before things go south with your speech and several other tells. I like dissos where things become interesting; movies, conversation, reading, projects, learning new things, etc. And when you wake up and say -- 'let's do that again'. That was MXE. Of course if you can end your day on a beautiful HOLE -- your choice of course, all the bettter.
it seems like modern science if failing miserably at producing anything close to an MXE replacement. It's sad, but aggain if you want to re-live what a decent disso was, go to the 20+ BL threads with 1000s of positive posts.
I see 3-F-PCP ending up in the bargain bin right next to MXPr.
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MrFuszy:
Cant wait to get the apvp in
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token:
Afternoon everyone! Hope their day or night has been good!
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AlHoffman69:
why does tails always act stupid at stupid times
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st1ckyf1ng4z:
@MorfineOrfan @nameofuser11 @RiftChems @moai Just because they’re “banning/scheduling” something, doesn’t mean it’s not gonna be available. If you know where to look, it won’t be a problem.
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Acidwizard:
Terrific Tuesday Everyone!
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tiquanunderwood:
Happy Monday!
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nameofuser11:
Set a reasonable limit. Hell fucking make it like buying cold medicine where they swipe your id and you can't get a bunch. But we know this isn't about logic or public safety. It's about money and control.
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MorfineOrfan:
The major plain leaf companies and the AKA are the ones lobbying against 7 and the other semi-sythetic derivatives, mgm this that and the other. We all know the chemist are just gonna mess with the scaffolding of the compounds and come out with new and even better semi-sythetic alkoloids of kratom. They are already playing with cats-claw
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moai:
@MorphineOrfan how fucking stupid is this shit. We better see some new shit come out, I’m most upset about banning regular kratom because really? Millions of people have got off hard opioids with it. They must want everyone on methadone instead.
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Gulp2788:
If bans were done to logic so much of what is illegal now would end up prescription only and I think the powers that be react faster than they think... if they think at all