Benzo Dependance Question

[Jelag]

Would 1mg xanax or 10mg valium every other day cause dependance or withdrawel effects?

And is valium "safer" to take ocasionally for to avoid rebound anxiety?

I find when I take xanax I get alitle more anxiety the next day..

 

[HYPNOTIC.]

If that is all you are taking daily I'd expect your tolerance would build so that you don't feel much of anything after a month or two for sure. I don't think there would be much wd's but the reason Xan causes rebound anxiety is that it has a shorter halflife and is gone from you body the next day while diaz is still there is small amounts still.

~Young

 

[Jelag]

If that is all you are taking daily I'd expect your tolerance would build so that you don't feel much of anything after a month or two for sure. I don't think there would be much wd's but the reason Xan causes rebound anxiety is that it has a shorter halflife and is gone from you body the next day while diaz is still there is small amounts still.

~Young

Would the rebound just come in later because of the vals long half life then?

Thanks.

Thanks.

 

[HYPNOTIC.]

Would the rebound just come in later because of the vals long half life then?

Thanks.

Thanks.

I would expect the Val to ease you down slow enough that you would just feel like sleeping the next day and a little depressed. That is if you did not take anything.

 

[Jelag]

Allright, thank you for the advice.

 

[Guest]

I find that @lprazolam - and benzos w/ shorter half-lives in particular - can leave me feeling fairly anxious and out of sorts the next day. IMO, di@zepam is more forgiving and doesn't make you feel like crawling out of your skin the very next day. I find @lpraz can hit quickly (and definitely knock-out a panic attack), but it just doesn't last very long, which can create a vicious cycle of abuse and major tolerance issues. When used in moderation (e.g. not taking 10 at a time daily like some of the people on topix, hahaha), I find di@zepam to be a very useful and valuable drug to treat occasional anxiety and insomnia; it's an excellent muscle relaxer too.   

 

[Gator]

I'm not big on benzos at all but sometimes I take up to 5 vals a week, helps me sleep better or if I'm feeling excessive anxiety... never ever have I felt any sort of rebound or withdraws. IMO as long as you don't abuse them there's a very low risk of dependency or WDs. I don't even touch xan because it just knocks me out lol, I guess it's hard to have anxiety while your asleep, unfortunately I have things to take care of from time to time

 

[Packrat]

@Gator,

Hi @Gator, how's it goin'.

I get the same reaction from X@ns.   Booom!  I'm out cold and my wife is waking me up a coupla hours later. They just suck a few hours out of my life.  I mean I get how they must be the med of choice for serious panic attacks and can be really cool recreationally but I'm pretty sure they can do a lotta damage in the process if you mix and keep taking 'em.  

However, I do have Rx @tiv@n (L0r@z) 1mg x 3 a day, but I just take a half when I need it.  I like it so much better (not like, like I wanna take more and more, I just find it effective) because of the main thing it does for me:  I can actually take .5mg (one half milligram) during work and it settles me, un-panics me, but most of all, it doesn't effect my mental acuity!  I'm really lucky in that way; I don't know if others get this really valuable benefit.  I can't say that about any of the other benzo's I've been prescribed over the years (I really resisted going on benzos at first so we had to do some trial-and-error).  For me, I don't see a recreational value in @tiv@n, tho, but everyone is different. 

My experience with V@ls has been positive mostly because, on occasion, I can take just a little (maybe 2-5mg) and not think about it for the rest of the day.  It really helps me with muscle soreness, too, but yeah, for me, too it makes me sleepier than I'd wanna be on a regular basis. I mean I really can't take it at work or if I am doing anything that needs focus and concentration.  It's kinda like a breakthrough-benzo, if that makes any sense.   Now if I go and take 15mg of Val you won't hear from me for a coupla days.... Booom! Just like X@n's - to me, anyway.

Enjoy your day and be safe!

Regards,

PR

 

[Heisenberg / HNB]

@Gator,

Hi @Gator, how's it goin'.

I get the same reaction from X@ns. Booom! I'm out cold and my wife is waking me up a coupla hours later. They just suck a few hours out of my life. I mean I get how they must be the med of choice for serious panic attacks and can be really cool recreationally but I'm pretty sure they can do a lotta damage in the process if you mix and keep taking 'em.

However, I do have Rx @tiv@n (L0r@z) 1mg x 3 a day, but I just take a half when I need it. I like it so much better (not like, like I wanna take more and more, I just find it effective) because of the main thing it does for me: I can actually take .5mg (one half milligram) during work and it settles me, un-panics me, but most of all, it doesn't effect my mental acuity! I'm really lucky in that way; I don't know if others get this really valuable benefit. I can't say that about any of the other benzo's I've been prescribed over the years (I really resisted going on benzos at first so we had to do some trial-and-error). For me, I don't see a recreational value in @tiv@n, tho, but everyone is different.

My experience with V@ls has been positive mostly because, on occasion, I can take just a little (maybe 2-5mg) and not think about it for the rest of the day. It really helps me with muscle soreness, too, but yeah, for me, too it makes me sleepier than I'd wanna be on a regular basis. I mean I really can't take it at work or if I am doing anything that needs focus and concentration. It's kinda like a breakthrough-benzo, if that makes any sense. Now if I go and take 15mg of Val you won't hear from me for a coupla days.... Booom! Just like X@n's - to me, anyway.

Enjoy your day and be safe!

Regards,

PR

PR, you just described my exact feelings and effects I get from those benzos almost to a T. Except that vals, in the doses I normally take, don't make me overly sleepy anymore. Sometimes they have the opposite effect, making me talkative and more outgoing. Change the amount of loraz from (.5) to (.5-1), and the amount of val from (2-5) to (5-7.5), and I could swear that was me writing that post. I just hope I can keep my dosage on both of those where they are now.

K-Pins make me feel a terrible, hungover, depressive feeling the next day, even after a single .5mg dose. Something about them does not agree with me at all. And alps put me to sleep as well.

The other night, I came home from work, stressed, tired, hot, pissed off, etc.. Broke a piece off of a Gador bar so I could just chill out a bit and relax. Passed out mid-Netflix, laptop on my lap and full glass of water in my hand. Woke up hours later thinking I'd pissed myself.. til I reached over and felt the empty glass by my side. :lol:

 

[Guest]

I was horribly addicted to @tiv@n for a couple years. 30-50 mg per day. My tolerance was through the roof. They, for me, have the highest potential of abuse. Once i take one, i just want more and more and more, with very bad results. Zannies dont do that to me, wierd, huh? Anyway, just wanted to put in my two cents.............,

 

[Packrat]

PR, you just described my exact feelings and effects I get from those benzos almost to a T. Except that vals, in the doses I normally take, don't make me overly sleepy anymore. Sometimes they have the opposite effect, making me talkative and more outgoing. Change the amount of loraz from (.5) to (.5-1), and the amount of val from (2-5) to (5-7.5), and I could swear that was me writing that post. I just hope I can keep my dosage on both of those where they are now.

K-Pins make me feel a terrible, hungover, depressive feeling the next day, even after a single .5mg dose. Something about them does not agree with me at all. And alps put me to sleep as well.

The other night, I came home from work, stressed, tired, hot, pissed off, etc.. Broke a piece off of a Gador bar so I could just chill out a bit and relax. Passed out mid-Netflix, laptop on my lap and full glass of water in my hand. Woke up hours later thinking I'd pissed myself.. til I reached over and felt the empty glass by my side. /default_laugh.png

Hi H,

How's it goin'.

I'm glad we think alike.  It makes me feel like I'm doing something right.   

I just wanted to say that I react much the same to Kp!ns, but if I need a good night's sleep and I don't it's gonna happen I might take 1mg - like right while I'm in bed.  It takes a while to hit, but, I know what you mean, I don't like the hangover effect.  It has a long half-life.   The first time I took 1/4mg to try it I likened it to a huge fist crushing me.  Since then I've gotten used to  it but only when I really need it because I really need to be sharp on the job.

I have never had a G@dor alp and don't know where to get 'em but I remember the best z0lps I ever had were theirs.   I wish I knew where to get them, too.

Regards,

PR

 

[Packrat]

@CatInTheHat,

Wow!  I have never heard of such a tolerance for A's.  I have to know, please, how did you get off of them?   Do you stay clear now?

Please share that info it could be really valuable.

Thanks and regards,

PR

 

[Heisenberg / HNB]

Hi H,

How's it goin'.

I'm glad we think alike. It makes me feel like I'm doing something right.

I just wanted to say that I react much the same to Kp!ns, but if I need a good night's sleep and I don't it's gonna happen I might take 1mg - like right while I'm in bed. It takes a while to hit, but, I know what you mean, I don't like the hangover effect. It has a long half-life. The first time I took 1/4mg to try it I likened it to a huge fist crushing me. Since then I've gotten used to it but only when I really need it because I really need to be sharp on the job.

I have never had a G@dor alp and don't know where to get 'em but I remember the best z0lps I ever had were theirs. I wish I knew where to get them, too.

Regards,

PR

Well my friend, we are in the minority, as most prefer alps and K's. I don't think its just the half-life causing the bad feeling the next in my case with K's. Diaz, as I'm sure you know, has a longer half life than most all (all?) BZs. If I take any diaz too late, I may feel some residual tiredness or a bit groggy the next day. With K's, I have the tiredness along with anger, sadness, depression. Its strange, no other BZ I've tried seems to affect me that way. I'll never take one of those again.

Was getting G@dors and Trap@x 2.5s from a private domestic vendor. Pricey but convenient, and had an interesting menu. Always threw in extras or samples, including one of the G@dor z0lps you mentioned. I don't ever take Z's though so its still laying around.

 

[opiated999]

I've been on 1 bzo or another since the early 90's. The loraz I once went through 90 name 2's in 36 hours & was actually Hallucinated for 2 days. It was never ever on purpose, for some reason, I must have kept taking, the med until the bottle was gone. This happened several times, never that fast, but the tolerance it built still haunts me today. Opiated.-

 

[Guest]

@CatInTheHat,

Wow!  I have never heard of such a tolerance for A's.  I have to know, please, how did you get off of them?   Do you stay clear now?

Please share that info it could be really valuable.

Thanks and regards,

PR

Hey there Pack,
My tolerance for Ativ@n developed over a year or so. If you want to call it tolerance. I was just out to get as high as possible so I didnt feel ANYTHING.

I got off of them cold turkey. I will tell you how. I had been brought, broken and bleeding to the emergency room and they admitted me, 5150 style. They thought I had been trying to commit suicide. I wasnt. I decided that I had had enough of the trips to the emergency room and I was going to quit. My doctor of course offered me a taper dose snd I refused it. I was awake for three days straight with the stroke team ready and waiting. I also had a babysitter in the room with me. I was feeling such vertigo, it felt like I was on the ceiling half of the time. My husband refused to visit me. My blood pressure got up to 210/105. I was twitching really bad and then had a seizure. They gave me a shot of Ativan while I was out. Boy was I pissed. I then went to rehab and tried really hard. After that i kept giong to follow up care which was three "group" meetings per week and one, one on one with my doctor each week. I also went to NA meetings and found a really good one on Sunday night. I worked the 12 step program (which I thought was a crock of shit) and somehow ended up feeling better because of it. I had nothing left to lose. I had lots of things that I felt really guilty for and step 4 and 5 REALLY helped me with that. My hard core anxiety and panic attacks became tolerable then. With a little CBT i actually could control it. I think what really mattered is that I let go of all of the guilt I had and that was KEY for me I think. I no longer go to meetings and I am far from sober now but for four years now, except for one slip up a month ago, i have stayed off benzos. I had one bad panic attack right after rehab and I happened to be at the hospital for my "group" meeting. My doctor was there and got me 2 xanax. I did take one and he tried to give me the other to take home. I refused it. It was then that I knew that I could do it. The combination of the help I received was tremendous. My employees no longer had to drive me home once a week. I was functioning well. Still am. I am still really proud of myself for quitting like i did. It wasnt easy but it was so worth it. Dont know how much you take but quitting is always worth it. Good luck. I hope and pray something is able to help you from my story.

 

[Guest]

I can not say enough about the 12 step procedure. If you put you head into it, whether you like it or not it creeps up on you. I ended up having a "clean slate" when I was done. I thought it was bullshit but still, I worked hard and did everything my sponsor (shout out to Liz) told me to do. Once I had that clean slate i felt that all things were possible.

 

[Packrat]

Hi Cat,

Thanks so much for sharing your experience.   While I believe you took great risks in quitting benz0s CT, it is something that will always be with you, just as the 12 steps and the Big Book.

One (of many) thing(s) I've learned about addiction is that a slip or even a relapse is not the end of the world.   You have come a long way and you will be a better, stronger person for it. 

Congratulations and God bless.

PR

 

[Guest]

Hi Cat,

Thanks so much for sharing your experience.   While I believe you took great risks in quitting benz0s CT, it is something that will always be with you, just as the 12 steps and the Big Book.

One (of many) thing(s) I've learned about addiction is that a slip or even a relapse is not the end of the world.   You have come a long way and you will be a better, stronger person for it. 

Congratulations and God bless.

PR

You know, it was risky physically but I think, looking back, that I was determined to hurt so I wouldnt forget it. Something like that anyway.

Thanks! May you receive many blessings yurself. Mua!

 

[doctoryes]

i have had the misfortune to detox from h opiates subutex and m done all self inflicted of course the m done was horrendous but by far the worst d tox ever especially mental health wise was benzos i ws on 60ml val n 10 ml temaz daily scripted from doc for nearly 3 years got incarcerated and boom my world ended i was fitting n coz of the lack of sleep thought i was going mad imagine trying to deal with that and trying to project an image of a guy that can look after himself as in them places ya just cant show any weakness. took me about5 months to get my head to a place where my cell mate said fuck me thats the first time ive seen ya smile never known depression like it before or since and never been addicted to benzos since i honestly believe if the fisrt opiate withdrawl was as severe as the benzos my life would have been very diffrent coz i coulnt do that again big respect and best luck n wishes to anyone going through or has been to that place. hope that didnt sound whiney i take full responsability for my actions no body made me abuse drugs i did it all on my own