Brain zaps?

[itslavayo]

Does this sound like brain zaps mixed with a bit of anxiety? Maybe (definitely?) too much too soon?

1 week since last experience (Day 1 75mg 4-aco-dmt, 2 days later 150mg 4-aco-dmt) this time going with 125mg of 4-aco-dmt.

-Electric feeling coming from head down one side of the body from come up through peak.
-Very uncomfortable feeling on said side of the body, especially in head arms and chest. 
-Swallowing Water felt off, like maybe uvula was numbish?
-Visuals and sound very different than usual, sloppy, lop-sided/warped waves, low volume almost muted echoed sounding music with intermittent electric popping in ear.

Things apparently really felt off, and he felt like he had to stay conscious because he didn't want to succumb to whatever was going on.

 

[Sgrbr420]

Those are some very high doses. More than 2x the heavy dose levels on pyschonaut. I am not surprised by unpleasant side effects. Harm reduction would advise a 2 week or longer tolerance reser and then begin at a more sensible dose ... maybe looking for a level of effect beyond what that chem can produce? Maybe something like dmt would be better suited for the experiment? 

My experiments have found good times in the 10-15mg zone for a public setting like a concert, 20-25mg in a safe setting.

Maybe subject is having a contradicting reaction with a b3nz0 or op8? If that's the case be careful as seizures are a real danger. In fact some doctors believe "brain zaps" are mini localized seizures that can be precursors to more damaging seizures. 

Stay safe.

 

[Sgrbr420]

Those are some very high doses. More than 2x the heavy dose levels on pyschonaut. I am not surprised by unpleasant side effects. Harm reduction would advise a 2 week or longer tolerance rester and then begin at a more sensible dose ... maybe looking for a level of effect beyond what that chem can produce? Maybe something like dmt would be better suited for the experiment? 

My experiments with 4-ac0 have found good times in the 10-15mg zone for a public setting like a concert, 20-25mg in a safe setting.

Maybe subject is having a contradicting reaction with a b3nz0 or op8? If that's the case be careful as seizures are a real danger. In fact some doctors believe "brain zaps" are mini localized seizures that can be precursors to more damaging seizures. 

Stay safe.

 

[itslavayo]

Those are some very high doses. More than 2x the heavy dose levels on pyschonaut. I am not surprised by unpleasant side effects. Harm reduction would advise a 2 week or longer tolerance rester and then begin at a more sensible dose ... maybe looking for a level of effect beyond what that chem can produce? Maybe something like dmt would be better suited for the experiment? 

My experiments with 4-ac0 have found good times in the 10-15mg zone for a public setting like a concert, 20-25mg in a safe setting.

Maybe subject is having a contradicting reaction with a b3nz0 or op8? If that's the case be careful as seizures are a real danger. In fact some doctors believe "brain zaps" are mini localized seizures that can be

Thank you for your advice. The subject's experiments have been successful up until this point, even at higher doses. However, as of late research, has been  ramped up due to pressing deadlines. I agree that a break in research for the time being is the best course of action, and for deeper research purposes something like DMT might be a better route.

Subject has no experience in regards to DMT, and his usual chemical supply companies either do not carry this, do not supply this particular chemical to the country where research is being conducted, or it is out of budget constraints. Another thing that is of concern,  is that other researchers have suggested this particular chemical should be tested with a partner, which is not possible for a variety of reasons.

 

[krunchy]

Yes, those are some ludicrously high dosages. I'm extremely familiar with all those type compounds and nobody should need more than 30mg of any of them. Brainzaps from such large amounts as above are to be expected.

 

[veggieragz]

@itslavayo I Haven’t researched deeply with 4@co but I’ve gotten brain zaps after multi-day shroomathons even at low doses(like 1-2g a day):  when you group experiences together like that, in my experience,  I think the brain tends to zap unfortunately
On the upside, everything seems fine in the after math.  I felt emotional and restless for a couple days, I didn’t indulge in any remotely shroomy research,  I was my usual self in no time. How are you recovering?? Well, I hope??!! 
First and a couple subsequent times with dmt were alone. I prefer it that way, but it all depends on how comfortable you feel alone  with yourself. another option, if it’s deep introspection you’re after, would be certain dissos. in my experience, a hole is not at all necessary to dis and then re connect with yourself, which is a lovely psychedelic research experiment- of course always read through psych0naut er0wid r3ddit etc before trying to get enlightened with new research; dosecurves for discofavors can have super sharp inclines