Carfentanil?

[vs322]

Is this stuff still available anywhere, and is DHS/DOD/CIA/Etc. watching it like a hawk?  I'm not planning to try to buy any, I'm just curious what the market (if it exists) looks like.  Not so long ago, you could buy this stuff by the key from China.

For those of you not familiar with this substance, it's about 100x more potent than fentanyl.   So, yeah—if fentanyl LD50 is like 2mg, carfentanil LD50 is probably microgram range.  Again, I want to avoid this stuff like the plague, but I'm interested as to whether people can still get it.

 

[superamoeba]

No sir, I don’t believe our slanty-eyed friends overseas are manufacturing/exporting this product really at all anymore. You would have better luck finding a source in Mexico these days. Majority of the Fentanyl/Carfentanil in the US these days is synthesized in Mexico from imported Chinese chemicals.

 

[vs322]

Right on   Do you get the impression that Mexican synthesis is approaching industrial levels, or do you think it's still in the "trailer in the middle of nowhere" (i.e., meth-lab) stage?  I don't know offhand how difficult the syntheses of fentanyl et al are.  

And for the record (because nothing is ever *really* anonymous) I have no desire or intention to obtain carfentanil!

P.S. Not trying to start a feud or be oversensitive, but come on dude—take it easy with the "slanty-eyed" stuff.  You're cooler than that...  

 

[Biskoinferno]

Yea IDK if you have the right sources it can be processed. I know that Fentanyl is still coming outta China ,idk about the car-fent could be scarce like that U-4770/Pink that was killing mad ppl.

@superamoeba that slanty-eyed lingo will not be tolerated here. FYI........

 

[vs322]

That reminds me, do you know why U-4770 caused as many deaths as it did?  I mean, I thought it was only like 1/10 the strength of fentanyl—does it maybe have a weird binding profile or something?

 

[RC_researcher79]

You will never find it around, unless you are a big boss and asking mexican cartel. 
There are other compounds that get close to car-f potency and they are actually not banned, but they are done by custom synth, not sold on RC shops indeed.
I was impressed from a paper where I''ve seen a o-dsmt analogue could reach a compound of this potency, or at least close to Bromadol. But seems the synth was too complicated or bio availability  pretty poor.

Anyway - unless you are taking Fentas and stuff since years and years, or behind a 300-500mg Methadone / day barrier, I really don't see any use of such potent compound, and I totally disapprove vendors trying to get it to make shitty china white , leaced pils or other stuff.

There are so many opioids of low potency, legal, that can give the same great euphoria and body warm and nod. Just work on reducing the tolerance tapering down, and you will be able to access to a lot of other alternatives, safer and with the same if not better effects.

 

[superamoeba]

If you want carfentanil then I would recommend you learn Organic Chemistry and synthesize it yourself. The learning process will give you the necessary knowledge and respect for these kinds of chemicals for you to be able to handle them responsibly anyway. This is no drug for someone inexperienced with chemicals in general, as it is lethal in microgram doses... And by synthing it yourself you can guarantee quality as well.

 

[RC_researcher79]

If you are going to invest time in learning such things, i'd go instead with methadone analogues that can be extremely potent, euphoric and safer.

 

[superamoeba]

@superamoeba that slanty-eyed lingo will not be tolerated here. FYI........

Oh come now, it’s all meant in good fun, it’s not like if anyone here were to call me a greasy, hairy, wop, dego, meatball I wouldn’t get offended...

 

[superamoeba]

If you are going to invest time in learning such things, i'd go instead with methadone analogues that can be extremely potent, euphoric and safer.

Also, I agree entirely here with @RC_researcher79 about synthing some methadone or analogues thereof.  Dipipanone, and Phenadoxone as well as a wide host of other really great relatively little-known opioid compounds are wonderful and don’t require precursors that are in any way suspicious for the most part. Check out this paper on oxymorphone analogs —>>
 

View attachment 14-phenylpropoxymetopon.pdf

Biased receptor agonism is an enthralling area of opioid medicinal chemistry for me, extremely promising for the future...

 

[RC_researcher79]

There are tons of stuff that can be as potent as oxymorphone with a lot lower analgesic power. And some very interesting compounds like Oxymorphol, Hydromorphinol, Ketomorphian.

Ketobemidone analogues (done properly not the chinese failed attempt) and Dextromoramide analogues.

And, just hit this "news": 

"A quotation from a recent textbook is timely 28:

"Only a few of the more than 4000 chemically modified meperidine structures have received clinical acceptance; some of these, especially meperidine itself, are useful drugs, but unfortunately none show the desired separation of strong analgesic potency from unwanted side effects."

It must be borne in mind that from the point of view of heroin substitution and illicit drug usage, it is exactly this constellation of "unwanted side effects" that is in fact desirable. Thus, there are just short of 4000 chemicals already synthetically described and clinically documented in the scientific literature which might well serve as future drugs of abuse.""

@supermoeba: i tried to PM you but it seems you can't receive messages. I'd like to talk to you privately is possible, let me know if there is a way.

 

[superamoeba]

ANNOUNCEMENT!! SuperAmoeba is now an Opal member, THEREFORE I CAN NOW RECEIVE PRIVATE MESSAGES!!! Yay!! I’m like almost a full-featured member now

 

[RC_researcher79]

It doesn't seems so..


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