Some Warnings (and more):
Ok, this is the last post I will make on this subject of Ch_an_ga, I'm starting to realize that some of my posts are different from what is normally posted. So, I think maybe this is not fitting properly with the overall feel of the board. I am learning. I like sharing here because because many have been through some of the same issues that I have had and it's more of a tight knit community (more mature and honest and supportive). Other boards are too specific (focus on one item or angle), or it seems like a bunch of whacked out kids that I truly do not trust what they say, or like reddit, where there is too much smoke to find the truths (people that have agendas seem everywhere, dicrediting things or or other users, arguing, etc., but there are knowledgeable people there, but too much smoke and fog to get to the trustworthy truths, I call it reddit wars-not sure if I heard that or came up with on my own), Anyway, I will answer any questions and provide insight to anyone desiring to go down this road. A BIG not for human consumption, do not try this the way I've been doing this. I've been pushing way too hard and combining things you are not supposed to. Very dangerous, from what others everywhere say. Some people do ask about it, but ALL experienced, trusted resources on other boards, give a collective no. I have found a few that do actually prefer it this way and have lovely, special experiences. Specifically do not combine it with an SSRI, or with any add meds (just got diagnosed-currently diagnosed as bi-polar, but ordered ritz to test-can you tell by my jump in postings, lol). It was a huge mistake not recognizing how the MAOI (from the aya_huas_ca vines) interacts with freaking everything. I've seen it so many times when I am learning about certain medications, which is countless. However, if you like to push things, it seems to extend and accentuate certain things (the most common I see is shrooms, which I will not try the combo just because shrooms are the only psych that can cause me to lose control a bit, sometimes not in the greatest ways in retrospect, but I still love them). The cha_nga seems really safe by itself, relatively speaking. I have not found any negative experiences in what I have explored. Also, I have a very reliable, trustworthy source that is very knowledgeable about these things. A true, old school style psych-head, but strangely, almost young enough to be my son. The benefit is that he has experience in some of the more modern things, along with the usual suspects. He is my guinea pig to a certain extent. If you have tried D_M_T, this is much smoother, and it makes D_M_T seem really inferior (even though that is one of the main ingredients in the blend).
Ok, starting with some negative. I have gotten to the point where I go through a g in one evening, usually splitting it up into 2-3 long sessions. Sometimes due to times and obligations, it will go 2 days. One of the scarier things it does is make me feel like a fiend while using. Really bad when using, then mildly over the next day or two. Then it vanishes. I used to think it was the .5 klon that would allow me to push so far and maybe make me want to keep going. Now, from what I am reading that makes sense to my scenario, I'm thinking it might be the SSRI, because I would have the same issues with 4-aco-XXX. I would go on binges that were almost impossible to stop over multiple days. But I didn't take Klons back then, but I did take Prozac (still reading and researching this). On the level of fiendiness, the only thing I can compare it to is a period in my late teens where I was experimenting with rocking it up and smoking you know what (experimentation didn't last that long- I quickly realized the negative side). As an example, I can remember getting so fiendy, that after a session, I would get down on my hands and knees and frantically try to find dropped pebbles or anything that had escaped my lungs. Not good. While doing it, it felt great, but the negative effects were sad. It would make me feel really guilty. This is not as bad as that, but that's what it reminds me of. Another thing is a certain level of confusion, outside of the experience itself. One of the effects it has on you is that is makes you wonder if the things you are thinking about, primarily in regards to your life, have already happened or not. The answer is usually no, but I have confirmed outside of the experience, that it sometimes has happened. Somehow, you've gone through the same thought process somehow already and the trip duplicated it. That confusion, outside of the experience, is worrisome. It, over time, has giving me doubt about what has happened and what has not. So, I am starting to check, when I can, to confirm. At first it was all no, but I was able to realize that some things actually did happen. For example, sometimes I want to post something, but I feel like I already have, so I will double check if I have if the feeling is strong or confusing enough. The sad part is at least once or twice I had posted. It's a little of a reality challenge, which I don't like the fact that this is happening outside the experience. The other thing that's really negative is when I pop out the screen to hit the (I think mostly D_M_T) that has melted through, I get a bad feeling of guilt kind of like when i was a teenager. It maybe that it just makes me feel dirty like I'm a crackhead or something, no offense intended to anyone. Although, it maybe just the glass along with hitting it more aggressively. Now that I think about it, I feel similar when I do dabs and use a torch. So maybe that's not a bad thing. I don't do w_a_x wax anymore partly because of that, but it starts really tearing up my lungs badly and, quite honestly, I got tired of the effect a bit. The real plant is more balanced and you have have different results with different strains and it has the full spectrum of alkaloids. I do still enjoy edibles and the bubble stuff, but I don't even consume for the time being because I am looking for a job. Anyway, so another feeling I get that really makes me nervous, when I his the residue, is the feeling (you know that six or seventh sense you get with many psychs, lol) that I am somehow damaging my brain. A little bit of a sizzle sensation, it doesn't hurt nor does is it feel that physical at all, but it is a sensation that is there and, while it may be in my head, I have to respect it. So, if I do it again, I will not ever hit the residue/melted D_M_T/resin/etc. again. Lastly, the more I do it, the issues I have with breathing. Sometimes with this (and D_M_T) you kind of have to watch your breathing because you can forget to do it, somehow I always catch it if I stop paying attention to it, but some little alarm still goes off somewhere in your brain telling you HEY, pay attention. Also, I can catch it because I start to get other feelings such as dizziness that you can recognize that they don't belong and that triggers the connection. Always have someone there with you. I often don't, but I should. It's irresponsible. The really irritating part is several times, especially as of late, I catch my self holding in drags of a cigarette in as long as I can multiple times, since that's what I've been doing over and over again.
So, if you are not scared off yet, I will summarize as best as possible and as brief as possible (sometimes hard when I get going) the special/great things about this. First of all, I really wanted to emphasize the negative, because all of it is true and I'm probably even leaving out something (maybe). So pay heed (sp?) to the above paragraph please. Ok, to me, and I believe my scenario might be somewhat different, probably because of the mixing, there were only a couple of things that truly generated real concern for me in the above paragraph. The sizzle thing, easily solvable is in there because it is only in that specific activity do I feel that way. but certainly a little disconcerting overall with this stuff and D_M_T, as far as potential long term effects. I have not come across any stories like that, but I do not pretend to be an expert and I have read a lot, but there is much more out there. The other main thing is the experience with confusion with reality outside the time period of of the experience, but basically the same concern with long term issues. I will say I've it experienced it going away, but I've been doing it a lot in recent times, so I haven't seen it through. There is some minor forgetfulness, kind of like herb, but not even as bad. The whole "what was I talking about?" thing. For those of you that have some experience with psychs, which it looks like a decent amount, especially 2c-x, 4-aco-xxx or even fry, this is really nothing. Most of those seem more sketchy than this. I've experienced a lot worse. I will not do any 2c-x or 4-aco-xxx or most other rc's unless it really seems special, mainly because of how many hospital visits that I am personally aware of personally with the 4--aco variety, specifically the d_m_t suffix. I've seen some people really lose their shit. Also, I don't like how I get so fiendy with it. I will not go down the 2c-x route because of a personal bad experience and feedback from others. I came to the conclusion that it was slightly too volatile and sometimes was unable to "manage" the experience appropriately (or as I would prefer). So, let me try to put words to this. I probably will not do it justice, but i will try. My closest comparison would be a mixture of of d_m_t and the e version of 2c. At first, it just feels like a d_m_t trip on steroids. The visuals are amazing, colors, especially during the day (my favorite was the green on the oak tree in my back yard), more of a mixture of fry and d_m-t (fry certainly can be better, but it has a certain style to it and D_M_T has a little more southern twang to it like I always see the floor as a big mayan or aztec symmetrical, complex geometrical circle and I have experienced little noble creatures, tiny nano-bugs that control the movement of all around me, plain figures walking in my house that are viewable, but disappear into a corner or something, they are not completely black, but more like devoid of color and they don't have the intricacies of a human, more like general shape of close to human figure. Sorry I'm kind of throwing proper punctuation out the door, but works better that way. I've seen royalty in other realms (middle earthish) that are so stunning and awe inspiring, you feel like you need to bow to them-only comparison I can think of is the elf in the woods in LOR, Galadriel or something. A dragon coming out of of the aztec circle thing and standing up with a rush of adrenaline ready to fight it, with a whip (actually that was just D_M_T), but the closest it got (happened a a few occasions) to completely making it out of the ground, I suddenly lost confidence and sat down real quick. It never made it out of the ground ever, then I never saw again, but always the circles. Bubbles/goo growing and slowing taking up all of the space, but not scary, then faces would start to appear all over them, then letters everywhere. faces and letters were a common theme. There was even a evening where I hasn't eaten much of anything during the day and the bubbles would come out, always fantastic colors depending on daylight or no daylight, actually sometimes the bubbles were more like growing organic tentacle type thing that would keep growing like the bubbles then all of a sudden they had millions of unrecognizable letters. this same thing happened a couple of times in space, but it would usually start off with a very large space ship with very intricate parts, not too much different that something from a movie or tv show (like star trek). Sometimes the spaceship would magically get bigger and more intricate. Sometimes the tentacles were like some sort of, I don't know, hydraulic hoses, like connections maybe to the spaceship. Sorry I got off track, on the day I didn't eat much of anything I experienced some of the same combinations, but after faces then letters, the goo/bubbles would instantly turn into a bunch of food. Everything you could imagine, I could see candy bars in one place and turkey platters in another, an unbelievable amount of food. Then the next time I would come up, the same thing happened again. Could not stop laughing. That's another thing, spontaneous laughing is common. When I'm talking (mostly to 1or 2 people around me), I say a lot if things like OMG, this stuff is divine, I can't believe this, this is so unbelievable, crazy, amazing, etc. etc., sometimes accompanied by a quick burst of laughter. One common thing that happened multiple time after a couple of bowls, I would starting yawning really big and feeling tingly (weird). It would feel really good. A little strange, but sometimes my body felt so good (maybe like X), my body would start squirming, I would rub my legs back and forth against each other, get goosebumps and tingling all over (dare I say, kind of orgasmic . . . definitely not in the traditional sense, but similar) I think I could keep going with this part I think, but I feel like this will give you the geberal idea.
What really makes this special, unlike anything else, is the level of mental acuity and fast complex fast thoughts taht allow you to make connections. It's like your IQ jumps up 50 (yes 50) notches. The closest I've come to this level of acuity and introspection is a few times on a decent amount of the e of 2c. Not as much about the world or the explanation of the universe (like you can with some others, then your lucky if you remember anything), it's all about your life, your close ones, the environment in a more local way. The strange and one of the best things is that you can talk and and think normal (actually think in a way that is so much more complex and introspective). I can carry on a normal conversation with others (I don't necessarily prefer it), but sometimes I have felt like talking and I have had some truly amazing conversations. A bit difficult to walk (don't try), but I've had to come in and talk to my wife, very successfully I might add), I come across extra caring and nice and sometimes she makes me worry about her even. I just have to watch out for my big black eye saucers and my coordination You get some change in you that makes you more sensitive and intuitive with others. You have more empathy, insight. This actually carries over some to real real life, which is a big reason I refer to it as a life changer. You are able to solve problems, that mostly regard your life, just little 2 and 2's, or 3 and 3, and even more complex. It makes you understand why things the way thing really are with these connections. The light bulbs that come on during the process are amazing. You learn new things every time. With all of that, you start to built a guilt bag, if you will. Much guilt experienced during all of this. However it wasn't that bad. Kind of like guilt you were proud to carry and attempt to resolve, because you understood more. A lot of this carries over into rl. I have alleviated a decent amount of guilt by communication and apologies, the higher insight and empathy helps. You want to do it, not even for yourself, but just for resolution or the benefit of others. The best way I can describe the just of it is that it is a soul cleaner, with the bi-product being the bag of guilt stored in mind, but not bad. I honestly have been seeing myself become a better person through this process, not that I was ever bad, I've always been considerate, pollite, empathetic for the most part (not in my teenage years, but that's a different story). Ok, I can't go anymore, but I thinks this gives it enough perspective to understand. It lasts for a long time so the visuals get lighter but don't go away, that's when your mind goes into overdrive. There is so much I would like to write down during the process, but you just don't have the coordination to do it. Maybe spurt it out to someone instead if they are willing to write or type, or I guess record yourself. I get asked a lot of questions, easy ones and difficult ones and the answers I provide either hit it on the head or makes them understand why you can't give a specific answer, but how they should look at it. It's crazy.. A very, very therapeutic feeling process.
I am sorry about the length, sorry to the mods (whether it is because these types of posts don't belong here, or this was too much, or anything else). Please let me know if it is in any way. Please feel free to move it to somewhere more appropriate, if there is a place, or if that is possible. I felt like I needed to share this last overall description/analysis, even though some of of it was rambling. I wanted to put the negatives out there, since I have only been promoting it thus far, so people understand what they are getting into. Also for people that might want to try it even more. Providing some parameters and a full description of what to expect to move forward to the unknown. I don't know if I will do it again ( I probably will, at least a time or two more). I am more aware of the dangers now and i hope I spelled that out enough. Overall, the experience has been sooooo worth it to me personally. Thanks to anyone that made it to the bottom and is reading this sentence, lol..
Best regards and respectfully submitted,
chctwo
Have never used Darkweb so I am hoping someone can point me in the right direction.....Previously had done Peyote, Psilocybin, LSD..etc but DMT to me at least was far superior. Loved the fact that you could come back to earth within 10 minutes.
