Phenobarbital for anxiety.

[US Army Veteran]

Has anyone ever taken Phenobarbital for anxiety? If so did it work? Also is it less habit forming as they say benzodiazepines can be???

 

[Rynotopia]

All barbiturates are highly addictive. If you are truly worried about becoming addicted or dependent stay away fro both bentos and barbs. Try another type of medication like paroxetine, or buspar, or another non narcotic. 

 

[oldfart]

Has anyone ever taken Phenobarbital for anxiety? If so did it work? Also is it less habit forming as they say benzodiazepines can be???

Yes, yes and no., just as @dd!ct!ve, the big brothers of ph3n0 are sold as suicide m3dz. You can put yourself in forever sleep with 12 g or less of p3n+0b@rb!+@l (n3mbu+@l) or $3c0b@rb!+@l ($3c0n@l).

Before b3nz0s took over, several wonderful b@rb!+u@+3$ were the 0xyc0n+!n of the sixties and seventies. I would love to get some of the real ones, like $3c0n@l, n3mbu+@l, +u!n@l, and @m!+@l. All of them. Yes! Disco b! $cu!ts, too. If there were any worthwhile RC @n@l0gu3$ I'd try them.

 

[US Army Veteran]

Yes, yes and no., just as @dd!ct!ve, the big brothers of ph3n0 are sold as suicide m3dz. You can put yourself in forever sleep with 12 g or less of p3n+0b@rb!+@l (n3mbu+@l) or $3c0b@rb!+@l ($3c0n@l).

Before b3nz0s took over, several wonderful b@rb!+u@+3$ were the 0xyc0n+!n of the sixties and seventies. I would love to get some of the real ones, like $3c0n@l, n3mbu+@l, +u!n@l, and @m!+@l. All of them. Yes! Disco b! $cu!ts, too. If there were any worthwhile RC @n@l0gu3$ I'd try them.

I just wanna try Phenobarbital. 

My firocet has butabital but one of the weaker barbs.can you get phenobarbital from an IOP?

 

[oldfart]

Yes indeed, a few IOP's have ph3n0, and at good prices. I bid you fair winds and following seas in your journey. It's fun stuff, but @ddic+ive.

 

[Patrice]

I just wanna try Phenobarbital. 

My firocet has butabital but one of the weaker barbs.can you get phenobarbital from an IOP?

You really don’t want to take Phenobarbital.  I took it once.  I had run out of my Temazepam and I had a prescription for my dog who had seizures.  I took thre of them and I didn’t feel them at all but I did sleep, Problem is they are very long acting and I felt like I got hit by a truck the next day.. They are nothing like the barbiturates from the 1960’s and 70’s. Your really better off taking sominex.. There’s also prescription antihistamines you can get prescriptions for.. Atarax, visteril.  They are safe and not habit forming and you won’t have a problem getting an RX.  Worse thing a doctor did to me was he gave me a script for mellerill for sleep.  I have permanant nerve damage from those nutter drugs

 

[SaintAlien]

I personally have pheno and received it for anxiety reasons, it's not a med I ever felt anything other than sleepy (non euphoric) off of. Personally if you are one to run out of meds that cause hellish withdrawals (opiates or benzo's), it will aide you in the withdrawal process a bi; ie. you can rest some and it cuts down on the seizure threshold. I view pheno as a first aide med (short term usage) and nothing more. Be aware though if you are required to do UAs, it will remain in your system (positive for barbs) for 30 days.

 

[GNA]

Out where Im at they come in 15, 30 and 60 mg little white, bitter pills. I got a bottle of 100 30s. Take 3, gives me a good 8 hour sleep. No real hangover for me. Have a calming effect the next day. But have a ridiculous half-life, so are in your system for 200 hours, of something like that. I like them better than benzos. Ive never mixed them with alcohol or uppers.

 

[WillyK]

Starliterx is the way to go, i received 100 tablets 100 mg  $89

 

[Darlink]

Has anyone ever taken Phenobarbital for anxiety? If so did it work? Also is it less habit forming as they say benzodiazepines can be???

This post is old but I use a pheeno mix w/Aspirin and caffeine for migraines and it is the only thing that works for me. It’s magic I swear. Have turned on friends w/migraines and they are so relieved that something DOES work.

However, it is HIGHLY troublesome to take them every day, even short term- then stop. Very uncomfortable. Worse than a year long love affair with Z@ny’s 4 mg a day. (I was so messed up after my dad died that all my hair fell out. All of it. Took the Z’s and it grew back. Stress is an ugly monster!)

Moral of the story: well, I don’t know. Lol 

 

[Twitt96ix]

@GNA where do you get these barbiturates I thought they werent rly around anymore besides africa and online from China 

 

[cbearcircle]

@GNA where do you get these barbiturates I thought they werent rly around anymore besides africa and online from China 

https://www.starliterx.is/page-15.html

 

[Vakaras]

I hope no one minds if I ask a question about phenobarbital here, even though it is unrelated to the questions that the OP had about it. I thought it would be a bit excessive to make a separate thread for my question, because then there would be two threads about phenobarbital on the first page of this section.

Many years ago now, someone (who I considered to be well-informed) once told me that the chances of receiving counterfeit phenobarbital tablets are very low, because it is too expensive to fake and so it's cheaper or more cost-effective for vendors to sell the real product. Does that still apply today?

 

[Pharmia]

I hope no one minds if I ask a question about phenobarbital here, even though it is unrelated to the questions that the OP had about it. I thought it would be a bit excessive to make a separate thread for my question, because then there would be two threads about phenobarbital on the first page of this section.

Many years ago now, someone (who I considered to be well-informed) once told me that the chances of receiving counterfeit phenobarbital tablets are very low, because it is too expensive to fake and so it's cheaper or more cost-effective for vendors to sell the real product. Does that still apply today?

I would assume so.  I'm not sure about the whole "it's expensive to fake and cheaper to just sell the real thing" cost rationale, but regardless I wouldn't imagine that anyone's faking ph3n0 on any major scale.  In this day and age it's a rather niche med, not a popular drug of abuse--so, applying common sense here, what would be the motivation/incentive to counterfeit it?  There are problems with counterfeit p3nt0b@rbit@l and other scams around that, but that's a different matter--it's just because that barb is popular for suicide.  But I digress--getting back to ph3n0, no, I wouldn't worry about it being fake.  With the aforementioned exception, only the most popular, contemporarily mainstream drugs of abuse are counterfeited to any significant extent--stuff like X@n@x, z0lp!d3m, various strong PKs/0pi0ids, etc.--as there's sufficient financial incentive for the unscrupulous to do so.  That's not the case with something like ph3n0, which besides being "niche"/lesser-known nowadays doesn't even have a good reputation as a "euphoric", intrinsically pleasurable substance.  If someone's advertising something as ph3n0, I don't see why it wouldn't be just that in all likelihood.

 

[Pharmia]

Has anyone ever taken Phenobarbital for anxiety? If so did it work? Also is it less habit forming as they say benzodiazepines can be???

I have.  It certainly works.  Personally I find it useful for taking the anxiogenic edge off of my amphetamines, like to combine it with long-acting formulations of d3x@mph (all those amph/barb combos back in the day--long before my time--existed and were popular for good reason, you know?)  It synergizes better with amph3t@am!nes than benzos do IME, and I also have a weird neurochemical makeup that just seems to respond better to b@rbs and adjacent drugs like c@ris0pr0dol than benzos and the like.  I also find the long-acting, long-half-life properties to be helpful in smoothing out not only amphet@mine comedowns but the rebounds from other GABAergics like S0m@.  There's a unique, pleasant sort of apathy it induces that I haven't really noticed with any other type of sedative, but what people always say about it not being acutely "euphoric" or what have you is mostly true, that's not how it feels for the most part.  As far as "habit-forming", see, that's a complex question, depends what you mean.  As far as physically addictive/dependence-producing, absolutely, I mean, all b@rbs, all GABAergics for that matter are.  That goes without saying, or should.  But compulsive redosing and so forth is far less of an issue due to its long-acting nature, the slow gradual onset of action (takes a while to kick in), and again, the fact that it isn't acutely intrinsically pleasurable to "euphoric" levels per se for most people.  So in that sense, compared to some hard-hitting short-acting benzo, it's probably less likely to be "addictive" in the short term--in the long term, however, as said, all GABAergics produce dependence which is extremely problematic for neuropsychiatric health--being physically dependent on GABAergic sedatives of any kind is no joke and absolutely best avoided at all costs.  It also would accumulate in your system with regular/daily dosing (not advised), given the long half-life.  I noticed in another post you mentioned you had access to Fi0ric3t--I'm jealous as I've always wanted to try that one, and I assume that but@lbit@l is probably superior in just about every appreciable way anyway, so if you have that, why bother with ph3n0?

The thing is, though, I've only ever taken it in very low doses, much lower doses than the ones in the hundreds of milligrams that people take for epilepsy and sleep.  Most if not all of the "I passed out and woke up feeling like hell" anecdotes you see are from people who take it in those higher doses trying to chase a "euphoric" classic b@rb effect or extract an effect out of it that just isn't there.  I've found that doses in the 7.5-20 mg range or thereabouts, max, are plenty sufficient for mild anxiolysis and the purposes/uses described above, and don't knock me out cold or give me unpleasant side effects.  I take it in the form of Corvalol, a cheap combo med popular in Russia and Eastern Europe as a general/all-purpose panacea of sorts, which contains low doses of ph3n0, bromoisovalerate and mint oil.

One important caveat to bear in mind with ph3n0 or really any b@rb is the way it messes with your liver enzymes--it's a powerful inducer of just about every major P450 enzyme (except 2D6, which unless you're lucky enough to get glut3th!m!de is essentially non-inducible), so interactions with other meds are a given.  That's a pretty major downside, or can be.  On the other side of that coin, though, while this is probably risky so I can't recommend it in good conscience (i.e., "don't try this at home!") I've successfully exploited this property to use it to potentiate S0m@ in very low doses, FWIW.

 

[Kushkii]

This post is old but I use a pheeno mix w/Aspirin and caffeine for migraines and it is the only thing that works for me. It’s magic I swear. Have turned on friends w/migraines and they are so relieved that something DOES work.

However, it is HIGHLY troublesome to take them every day, even short term- then stop. Very uncomfortable. Worse than a year long love affair with Z@ny’s 4 mg a day. (I was so messed up after my dad died that all my hair fell out. All of it. Took the Z’s and it grew back. Stress is an ugly monster!)

Moral of the story: well, I don’t know. Lol 

Sorry to hear your dad died but you might be on to something about z's growing back hair

 

[Kushkii]

@Pharmia very informative post thank you

I have.  It certainly works.  Personally I find it useful for taking the anxiogenic edge off of my amphetamines, like to combine it with long-acting formulations of d3x@mph (all those amph/barb combos back in the day--long before my time--existed and were popular for good reason, you know?)  It synergizes better with amph3t@am!nes than benzos do IME, and I also have a weird neurochemical makeup that just seems to respond better to b@rbs and adjacent drugs like c@ris0pr0dol than benzos and the like.  I also find the long-acting, long-half-life properties to be helpful in smoothing out not only amphet@mine comedowns but the rebounds from other GABAergics like S0m@.  There's a unique, pleasant sort of apathy it induces that I haven't really noticed with any other type of sedative, but what people always say about it not being acutely "euphoric" or what have you is mostly true, that's not how it feels for the most part.  As far as "habit-forming", see, that's a complex question, depends what you mean.  As far as physically addictive/dependence-producing, absolutely, I mean, all b@rbs, all GABAergics for that matter are.  That goes without saying, or should.  But compulsive redosing and so forth is far less of an issue due to its long-acting nature, the slow gradual onset of action (takes a while to kick in), and again, the fact that it isn't acutely intrinsically pleasurable to "euphoric" levels per se for most people.  So in that sense, compared to some hard-hitting short-acting benzo, it's probably less likely to be "addictive" in the short term--in the long term, however, as said, all GABAergics produce dependence which is extremely problematic for neuropsychiatric health--being physically dependent on GABAergic sedatives of any kind is no joke and absolutely best avoided at all costs.  It also would accumulate in your system with regular/daily dosing (not advised), given the long half-life.  I noticed in another post you mentioned you had access to Fi0ric3t--I'm jealous as I've always wanted to try that one, and I assume that but@lbit@l is probably superior in just about every appreciable way anyway, so if you have that, why bother with ph3n0?

The thing is, though, I've only ever taken it in very low doses, much lower doses than the ones in the hundreds of milligrams that people take for epilepsy and sleep.  Most if not all of the "I passed out and woke up feeling like hell" anecdotes you see are from people who take it in those higher doses trying to chase a "euphoric" classic b@rb effect or extract an effect out of it that just isn't there.  I've found that doses in the 7.5-20 mg range or thereabouts, max, are plenty sufficient for mild anxiolysis and the purposes/uses described above, and don't knock me out cold or give me unpleasant side effects.  I take it in the form of Corvalol, a cheap combo med popular in Russia and Eastern Europe as a general/all-purpose panacea of sorts, which contains low doses of ph3n0, bromoisovalerate and mint oil.

One important caveat to bear in mind with ph3n0 or really any b@rb is the way it messes with your liver enzymes--it's a powerful inducer of just about every major P450 enzyme (except 2D6, which unless you're lucky enough to get glut3th!m!de is essentially non-inducible), so interactions with other meds are a given.  That's a pretty major downside, or can be.  On the other side of that coin, though, while this is probably risky so I can't recommend it in good conscience (i.e., "don't try this at home!") I've successfully exploited this property to use it to potentiate S0m@ in very low doses, FWIW.@Pharmia

 

[Kushkii]

I  would love something that put me to sleep instantly, obv lowest possible dose I wanna wake up like! 

 

[Darlink]

@Pushkii @Pharmia I thought But@lbit@l was just a brand name for the mix of Feen0hb@rb, aspirin and caffeine...no? I’m intrigued to try the RX’s active ingredient w/o the added ones. It has brought me euphoria in the past but I really had a migraine, that was like a reward for going through hell for 3 days. Was most pleasant!