Suboxone

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to get off of those I was on a whopping 50mg back in 2003 and i dropped 4mg every other week and 12 day feell alittle weird then just as I did at higher dose tough part was 2mg and below. I found the pills sub. could be broken into like 20 tiny pieces and got down to mg doses and then every 2 days for weeks then every 3 then every  till after couple months at every 5 days I ws able to stop and zero wD! I was allegic to nalox however and got subtex which maybe made a dif. Also having lots of ben zos is key to getting off those and that's a whole another problem especially when you actually need both said meds not for fun but to stay out of wheelchair and not in pain like you hit your funny bone 24  7 but in your back. Due to national "mood"atm it's fashionable to use b u pe so i found the rhod@s brand rp/8 marked sub u t@x are the shit! They have 8.6mg hcl per tabl sub. and kill any bone on bone pain. I have broken back several times and cogential problems. FOr neuropathic pain I've found accupunture with electricty as effective as big univeristy muliple epidurals of coritsione and fenteny@@l. IV in my spine. Wholistic often overlooked. Lymphatic drainage massage very helpful too if you can find well trained person. In france they do lymph drainage before major surgerys like heart etc to clean entire lymph system out itls just common sense there but here they are like lymph what???

If you have problems gettin sub u t@x and they try to push sub ox , tell them you et nihtmare s or I actually have allerigies and it gives me restless llet seizures and miugranes.  The sub u t@x allows you to carefully use both while you swithc back and forth or off one or other without tteh horrible wt instant effects of nal ox. I'm not a dr howeer this is just what my friend sugested to me only who is a dr. SO please not advice just telling a story as I witnessed it by my close friend in my life. Cheers, Much love be safe...

 
again if local farm will order them rhod@s by PurDu@ the wonderful sl@ckler f@mily who got the nation hooked on @%ys are now making billions on the other end but the RP/8's

are such high quality., I can't even tolerate hitech or acorn or any of the crappy generics out there. or the nalo on@ added. BUt 24mg of rp/8 2nd best to real deal and almost 20 hour half life no more setting alarms all day long to dose meds!!! However for my friend he tells me that without the benz@ added wouldn't work. If they test, maybe etiz migght be option if they won't let you get a or k . Whatever happened to dr patient confid??? Damn puter records!!

 
I've been on subs for about 5 years now. I've quit so many times that the wd's don't even bother me anymore. The biggest issue I have when you stop taking subs is your sleep will be terrible. I was off sub for 5 months, only taking advil for the paws and I missed having a legitimate good night of sleep.

 
@Scilenny420  I'm on subut3x, not subox0n3, so there is no n@l0x0n3 in the one's I'm taking.  The subut3x will just not allow me to feel the euph0ri@ that opi@ite bring.  So ya, I took them, but didn't feel anything.  Wasted 2 pills. 

 
@mark6699331 thats strange you were taking 50mg of bupe a day. The ceiling dose is 32mg. Anything beyond that is pointless with no added effect and no doctor that had any understanding of bupe would prescribe that. Also Subut3x does not make it easier to switch back and forth with other full agonist opioids. Both Tex and subo×0ne will put you into precipitated withdrawals if taken too early on top of another opi. The nal0x0ne has nothing to do with that. It is bupe that causes PW NOT nalox0ne. This common misconception is repeated much too often. Nalox0ne was added to the bupe to market $ubox0ne as an abuse deterrent for iv use. This was all a marketing ploy to extend their patent. The 2mg of nalox0ne in an 8mg sub isn't near enough to cause withdrawal if injected. Bupes affinity for the opi receptors is much too high. Both $ubo×one and $ubutex can be injected. Though I do not recommend this. The only difference is the naloxone dulls some of the immediate "rush" compared to $ubut3x but in no way impairs the desired effects. So for all intensive purposes nalox0ne can be removed from this discussion as a factor in precipitated withdrawal or otherwise. I will say in a pinch a shot of sub will reverse your average overdose on traditional opi0ids(h3r0in,0xy ect.) Anyhow I hope that clears some things up. I've been on bupe for 13 years. I have cycled on and off it countless times to use other opis and have been on all the formulations besides the implant. Unfortunately I am also a needle fiend so I've put plenty of these through my veins. My favorites are the little hi tech 8mg generics. Pure bupe, no filler. But please don't shoot any of these. The sublingual bioavailability is so high because it's designed to be. Misused or not this med has absolutely saved my life and I have watched it transform countless others. This is the best tool there is in fighting and overcoming opioid addiction. Whether it's a short or long term taper or you require long term maintenance. This is the best we have for now.

Peace,

Brokenkey

 
for sure ..sorry if went overboard just trying to get education out there as so much dis mis info even amoung the fairly informed....

 
Subut3x and subox0n3 are both lifesavers for people, and seem best employed alongside an addiction program and counseling. Withdrawal from subut3x can be just as bad or worse as opioid withdrawals and extreme caution and planning is required. 
 

Agmatine is a godsend OTC tool for opioid withdrawal (and to a lesser extent ethanol withdrawal, which should extend to benzo wds too but this hasn’t been researched specifically). It’s definitely too under the radar and the agmatinergic system is fairly new to medicine. But mark my words, the next generation antidepressants, cardiovascular, metabolics, and substance use disorder drugs or treatment adjuncts will be based on current research on agmatine and the agmatinergic system (not quite a neurotransmitter system but it’s unclear how best to classify it at this time). Buy some pure Agmatine powder on Amazon (Purisure is a good company for it) and take on empty stomach 500mg or so.

Use before or after opioid use and reward mechanisms and reinforcing effects gradually lessen and decrease desire and drug cravings. Or, use on empty stomach at same dosage during withdrawals from opioids for drastic reductions in nearly all symptomatic expression and for reduction of withdrawal timeline. If cessation of alcohol is the goal instead, use in the same way for reducing reward/reinforcement (similar to naltrexone) and for withdrawal. Unfortunately, in alcohol withdrawal the primary effect is eradication of the anxiety and emotional lability, but it has not been shown to reduce or extinguish the other alcohol withdrawal symptoms. I’ve even used it with amphetamine and stimulant drugs during use and for sudden cessation and withdrawal, and find the “high” is affected by a reduced locomotor hyperactivity, reduced compulsive behaviors and thought loops, and better feeling of controlled speed high. It may be less recreational in that sense but definitely makes stimulants more functional thereby. It didn’t help significantly with withdrawal sequela, but I did notice less asthenia and a more manageable mood and depression. What wasn’t helped with Agmatine and has no clinical option at all for stimulant withdrawal or cessation was: Motivation, initiation of tasks and goal related behaviors, excessive sleep and hunger for rewarding food or drugs (in my case a strong desire sugar, fat, and oily foods, and a powerlessness to seek alcohol or benzodiazepines to alleviate some discomfort from the adjustment of sudden cessation after long periods of high dose stimulant use). 
 

Hope more people learn of Agmatine and keep it on hand - it’s cheap, OTC, and can be bought in bulk and kept around. 
 

 
When I transition from oe pees to sub w/ naloxone, I go into a bit of withdrawal, break off 1 or 2 mg of sub and start.  I think the first time I took it the doc put me on 16 and had me take it all at once.  Wow, headache, throwing up.  Start small and work your way up.  I take the subs with low dose oe pies and it’s nice because I can take less of each.  The subs do not negate the effects of the other opi.  They just do ‘t want you to shoot it.  When I get clean off oe pies and only take subs, it’s definitely different feeling.  I don’t get sweaty or real sick but am cranky, have cravings, more moody.  

 
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