Now I know this probably isn't gonna be a popular view or topic to discuss on here, I'll try to keep this post as vague as possible (certainly not trying to get in trouble with the mods, I love this community and it's helped me a lot over the years). Not trying to be overly paranoid either, but pondering the following issues has recently given me pause and I was curious to hear everyone's thoughts. I'll admit I'm not currently the most informed individual on legal matters etc, so if you want to tell me I'm way off base or full of shit go ahead.
I don't think I can say or even really hint at what started this ball of worry rolling in my mind so to speak, let's just say randomly becoming aware of some events that transpired in the last couple of years and leave it at that. But anyway:
Personally I don't really understand why domestic ordering has become so popular and been pushed so strongly in this "scene" of late, as seemed to kind of come out of nowhere and (for me at least, and I'm sure lots of others, as most of us 'on the side magazine subscribers' likely have chronic/serious disabilities which are not known to lead to great wealth and high income) is usually prohibitively expensive. In particular though, !ntl v3nds offering d0mestic mags also as an option seems like a relatively new thing, from what I remember that was never really the case years back--!ntl and d0mestic stayed in their lanes. Again can't say too much for obvious reasons, and I'm not claiming to have "inside" info whatsoever, but just thinking logically and connecting the dots this phenomenon (not necessarily 'independent' d0mestic vends, I mean all these !ntl cl3@rnet types having d0m3stic all of a sudden) all seems like it relies on a network/infrastructure that seems quite fragile, more precarious perhaps than people like to realize or admit.
But regardless, what baffles me the more I think about it is why specifically domest!c subscribing is pushed as a better option OP5EC-wise. Yes it's quicker & more convenient, but the thing is...if the authorities caught on to a d0m3st!c pack/order/subscription for whatever reason, wouldn't the potential consequences be much worse and more serious than with !ntl in a similar situation? If an !ntl pack is seized, worst that can really happen is a LL or they initiate an !nv3stig@tion, right, maybe the @ddres5 gets burned. Because they don't have jurisdiction on the sender's end, it's another sovereign country, and yes allied nations cooperate all the time when it comes to stuff like this for geopolitical reasons, but you know what I mean. What worries me about d0me5tic though boils down to the fact that the piggy farms have jurisdiction/authority on both "ends" of the deal. Here's what I mean:
Hypothetically speaking, let's say a v3nd0r based internati0nally gets bu5t3d. Maybe via a joint op coordinated across borders, maybe not, but either way, regardless of that publisher's 0p53c measures (or lack thereof) there would I'm assuming be more hoops for the three little pigs to jump through to provably link customers to them enough to start going after those end-subscribers and blow their houses down, probably not worthwhile from their perspective.
But now consider this hypothetical: a node in the above-mentioned network goes down, a shipper/v3nd0r who is d0mestic@lly-based. Even if they had stellar op53c and took precautions to protect customer data and so forth, what's to stop the swine from basically taking over their operation and offering them a deal if they continue as normal for a while receiving orders from elsewhere and mailing mags out (however that process works), thereby collecting info on end-subscribers for a time. Then waiting until somebody either places a sufficiently-large order of sufficiently controlled m@gs so they can slap on distribution charges (even if the m@gs were, in fact, merely for personal reading) or waiting until somebody places enough smaller orders to where they're probably gonna have a substantial quantity of m@gs in their possession regardless of how fast they read through them. Then getting a s3arch w@rr3nt for that unfortunate soul's mail the next time they order from the d0m3st!c 5hipp3r now turned LE-collaborator, opening that pack then using that evidence to secure a SW for that address, then swooping in to invade and bust that person red-handed? I don't even know if in that case a see-dee would be required, as if they had a chain of evidence that the t@rget did in fact place the order because they're controlling everything on the v3nd/sh!paper's end, wouldn't that 't@rget' be in fact screwed either way?
This kind of op (ell-ee taking over an ill!c!t operation and continuing to run it normally for a bit to bust people in stings) really shouldn't be legal and technically sort of isn't as per the U-S laws at least, but it's not unheard of, happens all the time with offline dee-arr-you-gee-ess enforcement and while I've yet to hear of a case of that as described above in this arena, they do that all the time with for instance child abuse d@rkn3t sites (which don't get me wrong I'm as glad as anybody that those vile villains get got, but the way this is done has super disturbing implications more broadly for civil rights & liberties) and have for years as is public knowledge.
I'm probably missing something important about how this all functions and obviously hope that there's something about how our beloved 'publishers' run their business that fills the gaps here and will remain totally secret, just worried about this type of possibility the more I consider everything. Fodder for thought as always in any case. Maybe XMR/M0n3ro needs to become more common as a payment option, as from what I understand that blockchain isn't publically-viewable and thus the porcine powers couldn't definitively prove an order was paid then? IDK.
I don't think I can say or even really hint at what started this ball of worry rolling in my mind so to speak, let's just say randomly becoming aware of some events that transpired in the last couple of years and leave it at that. But anyway:
Personally I don't really understand why domestic ordering has become so popular and been pushed so strongly in this "scene" of late, as seemed to kind of come out of nowhere and (for me at least, and I'm sure lots of others, as most of us 'on the side magazine subscribers' likely have chronic/serious disabilities which are not known to lead to great wealth and high income) is usually prohibitively expensive. In particular though, !ntl v3nds offering d0mestic mags also as an option seems like a relatively new thing, from what I remember that was never really the case years back--!ntl and d0mestic stayed in their lanes. Again can't say too much for obvious reasons, and I'm not claiming to have "inside" info whatsoever, but just thinking logically and connecting the dots this phenomenon (not necessarily 'independent' d0mestic vends, I mean all these !ntl cl3@rnet types having d0m3stic all of a sudden) all seems like it relies on a network/infrastructure that seems quite fragile, more precarious perhaps than people like to realize or admit.
But regardless, what baffles me the more I think about it is why specifically domest!c subscribing is pushed as a better option OP5EC-wise. Yes it's quicker & more convenient, but the thing is...if the authorities caught on to a d0m3st!c pack/order/subscription for whatever reason, wouldn't the potential consequences be much worse and more serious than with !ntl in a similar situation? If an !ntl pack is seized, worst that can really happen is a LL or they initiate an !nv3stig@tion, right, maybe the @ddres5 gets burned. Because they don't have jurisdiction on the sender's end, it's another sovereign country, and yes allied nations cooperate all the time when it comes to stuff like this for geopolitical reasons, but you know what I mean. What worries me about d0me5tic though boils down to the fact that the piggy farms have jurisdiction/authority on both "ends" of the deal. Here's what I mean:
Hypothetically speaking, let's say a v3nd0r based internati0nally gets bu5t3d. Maybe via a joint op coordinated across borders, maybe not, but either way, regardless of that publisher's 0p53c measures (or lack thereof) there would I'm assuming be more hoops for the three little pigs to jump through to provably link customers to them enough to start going after those end-subscribers and blow their houses down, probably not worthwhile from their perspective.
But now consider this hypothetical: a node in the above-mentioned network goes down, a shipper/v3nd0r who is d0mestic@lly-based. Even if they had stellar op53c and took precautions to protect customer data and so forth, what's to stop the swine from basically taking over their operation and offering them a deal if they continue as normal for a while receiving orders from elsewhere and mailing mags out (however that process works), thereby collecting info on end-subscribers for a time. Then waiting until somebody either places a sufficiently-large order of sufficiently controlled m@gs so they can slap on distribution charges (even if the m@gs were, in fact, merely for personal reading) or waiting until somebody places enough smaller orders to where they're probably gonna have a substantial quantity of m@gs in their possession regardless of how fast they read through them. Then getting a s3arch w@rr3nt for that unfortunate soul's mail the next time they order from the d0m3st!c 5hipp3r now turned LE-collaborator, opening that pack then using that evidence to secure a SW for that address, then swooping in to invade and bust that person red-handed? I don't even know if in that case a see-dee would be required, as if they had a chain of evidence that the t@rget did in fact place the order because they're controlling everything on the v3nd/sh!paper's end, wouldn't that 't@rget' be in fact screwed either way?
This kind of op (ell-ee taking over an ill!c!t operation and continuing to run it normally for a bit to bust people in stings) really shouldn't be legal and technically sort of isn't as per the U-S laws at least, but it's not unheard of, happens all the time with offline dee-arr-you-gee-ess enforcement and while I've yet to hear of a case of that as described above in this arena, they do that all the time with for instance child abuse d@rkn3t sites (which don't get me wrong I'm as glad as anybody that those vile villains get got, but the way this is done has super disturbing implications more broadly for civil rights & liberties) and have for years as is public knowledge.
I'm probably missing something important about how this all functions and obviously hope that there's something about how our beloved 'publishers' run their business that fills the gaps here and will remain totally secret, just worried about this type of possibility the more I consider everything. Fodder for thought as always in any case. Maybe XMR/M0n3ro needs to become more common as a payment option, as from what I understand that blockchain isn't publically-viewable and thus the porcine powers couldn't definitively prove an order was paid then? IDK.
