Chemagora

[aynsoph]

@askABOUmyDOG

Yeah, what's up with that? 

I wonder if it's the chemical or if it's the vendor's batch.

I mean, it has the same psychonautwiki.org as 1P-LSD, but it seems to be half as strong. I need to wait to confirm this hypothesis in two weeks or so, though, as it's too soon for me to try it again, being on the heels of my recent "trip," and my Doctor is now making me take Zyprexa (Onlanzapine HCL) to check my blood levels next week, it being an anti-psychotic which absolutely prohibits the effects of LSD, et al, on the serotonergic receptor it acts on for it's hallucinogenic effects (as do most anti-psychotics I later read, so whoever is taking them beware). And, yet, a reviewer for RealChems.com regarding their 1cP-LSD stated: "Good alternative to lsd ! Better than 1-p-lsd according to me."

It's kind of a bummer as I purchased a signifcant amount and I had nowhere else to turn as it seems that a mailed item of 1P-LSD to me from The Netherlands about two months ago didn't make it to me, which is why I turned to Canada.

 

[aynsoph]

@askABOUmyDOG

It may be subjective, and I remember stopping my Zyprexa anti-psychotic medication for two weeks (to disable it's anti-hallucinogenic properties), but some may have still been in my system, making my trip weaker.

All other reviews on the web mention 1cP-LSD to be better than 1P-LSD.

How many blotters did you experiment with?

How many blotters did it eventually take for you to reach a good trip?

Thanks so much!

 

[aynsoph]

@askABOUmyDOG

I forgot to add, how much weaker than 1P-LSD was it for you, if you can estimate, please.

Has anyone else had experience with Chemagora's 1cP-LSD?

BTW, I contacted Chemagora, and they sent this to me:

"The manufacturing process used to produce the 1cP-LSD is consistent and fully GMP-compliant and only product of 98% or greater purity is used. There is a prevalent issue in the market of organizations selling 1cP-LSD made using inconsistent and/or non-GMP compliant methods. This can result in significant systematic errors and inconsistencies in research when these products are used as reference materials. It is not impossible that a manufacturing defect on the part of our manufacturer can occur but we are hesitant to consider it as it is much more likely that the quantitative analysis of our 1cP-LSD seems abnormal only when compared to an incorrectly-evaluated reference material. We have had no other complaints about our current batch of product and if you are experiencing an unexpected result in your measurements it is most likely due to some form of systematic error. Please ensure the reference materials being used are authentic, certified, and sourced from a government-approved producer.

 
Please feel free to share with us your analytical results and we will take a look at them.

Cheers"

 

[DoomKitty]

The agreement on how strong 1cp does seems to vary in reviews.  I mean the general consensus is that it is stronger than 1cp but reading reviews in r/1cp or r/researchchemicals there are tons of people who feel otherwise.   No one is mentioning sources so impossible to say if this is a possible sourcing issue or perhaps a metabolism and/or drug-interference issue.  Or a shipping issue even.  Im not sure how stable of a compound it is as far as heat/cold go.  Hopefully other members will chime in! 

 

[IridiumAndLace]

Hi friends!

Just thought I'd chime in, I placed a small order for two items with Chemagora on 03/21, got shipping confirmation on 03/23, received one on 03/27 (!!) and still waiting on the other one. Stealth was good enough that I'm not worried, I expect the second envelope will arrive any day now.

I did notice that their 1cP blotters are 1) slightly yellow, and 2) a bit inconsistent, some tabs are more yellow than others. This was more obvious under UV light, and they glowed yellow. I washed some tabs for volumetric dosing, and when I removed them they were pure white. I detected no apparent issues with potency, but again, I had combined multiple tabs into solution so they might have simply averaged out.

Oh, and as an aside: the cP group makes up about 17% of 1cP-LSD's molecular mass, so only about 82.5% of its mass is LSD-25. (1P-LSD is about 85% LSD-25 by mass.) Assuming they both act primarily as LSD prodrugs, this may explain why they are both perceived to be "weaker" but otherwise indistinguishable from LSD-25. It's probably not a direct conversion though due to differences in absorption and metabolism, and they do seem to have some activity on their own as well. Clearly, further research is needed.

 

[aynsoph]

@IridiumAndLace

What did you wash the tabs in, approximately how many tabs did you wash, how many mL when finished for volumetric dosing and what did your volumetric dosing mix ratio end up being [you know, like 2500mcg/mL, which, depending on the dropper bottle, if it's a 1mL one-drop-each-squeeze type of bottle, that could essentially deliver 20 100mcg drops under the tongue regarding the volumetric dosing, (or 20 120mcg drops if a whole sheet is used)...like - if you would please, sir?

Very insightful. Thank you!

You must have a high IQ.

I forgot it is luminescent under blacklight.

Best reply yet! I'm going to do what you did.

@IridiumAndLace

What substrate (liquid) did you wash the tabs with, approximately how many tabs did you wash, how many mL when finished for volumetric dosing and what did your volumetric dosing mix ratio end up being [you know, like 2000mcg/3mL, which, depending on the dropper bottle, if it's a 1mL one-drop-each-squeeze type of bottle, that could essentially deliver 20 100mcg drops under the tongue regarding the volumetric dosing, (or 20 120mcg drops if a whole sheet is used)...like - if you would please, sir? 

Very insightful. Thank you! 

You must have a high IQ.

You both saw and felt not only the yellow spotting but the inconsistencies of dose/tab with each blotter, you confirmed your assumption by verifying it under blacklight (I forgot it is luminescent under blacklight), then you mixed up a volumetric dosing bottle! Just really "quick on your feet," there!

Best reply yet! I'm going to do what you did, minus the blacklight, as I don't have mine anymore.

Thank you so very much! 

 

[aynsoph]

@IridiumAndLace

What substrate (liquid) did you wash the tabs with, approximately how many tabs did you wash, how many mL when finished for volumetric dosing and what did your volumetric dosing mix ratio end up being [you know, like 2000mcg/3mL, which, depending on the dropper bottle, if it's a 1mL one-drop-each-squeeze type of bottle, that could essentially deliver 20 100mcg drops under the tongue regarding the volumetric dosing, (or 20 120mcg drops if a whole sheet is used)...like - if you would please, sir?

Very insightful. Thank you!

You must have a high IQ.

You both saw and felt not only the yellow spotting but the inconsistencies of dose/tab with each blotter, you confirmed your assumption by verifying it under blacklight (I forgot it is luminescent under blacklight), then you mixed up a volumetric dosing bottle! Just really "quick on your feet," there!

Best reply yet! I'm going to do what you did, minus the blacklight, as I don't have mine anymore.

Thank you so very much!

 

[aynsoph]

Deleted a double-post.

 

[IridiumAndLace]

@aynsoph

(Ma'am )

I'm microdosing, so I washed 4 tabs in 20ml of 50/50 ethanol and distilled water, for 20μg/ml total. I first washed them in 5ml of ethanol, then 5ml water, then 5ml ethanol, then 5ml water, about six hours each. The first ethanol wash came back tinted just slightly yellow, the rest were clear.

I'm pretty sure I got those tabs squeaky clean, I tried soaking them for a few more days in 1ml of ethanol, and there was no visible UV activity on the residue when I evaporated a couple drops on a watch glass. I added it to my mixture anyway just in case.

I researched 30μg as a test, and the effects of a threshold dose were exactly what I expected. I couldn't test its purity (is pure 1cP-LSD normally yellow?) but I'm satisfied that there were 400μg between those 4 tabs.

Also thanks! I have have studied a bit of organic chemistry back in the day.

 

[DoomKitty]

@IridiumAndLace Amazing post, thank you!

 

[aynsoph]

Ordered 10 pellets of 1cP-LSD and five pellets of 4HO-MiPT on the evening of Tuesday, April 6, they said they shipped them in two separate envelopes on Thursday, April 8, and I just received the five 4HO-MiPT pellets today, Thursday, April 15 to the extreme southern part of the US! So, not bad considering eight day shipping from Canada! I've had packages shipped within the US that have been taking longer!! I'll update when/if the 1cP-LSD pellets are received.

 

[aynsoph]

Upon closer inspection I discovered that there were only four pellets of 4HO-MiPT instead of five, and one of them was crushed during transit. I know it was only one as the pieces could be measured up to equal one pellet. I have contacted Chemagora about this issue and am awaiting a response. I will post any relevant updates.

 

[IridiumAndLace]

I placed a small order for two items with Chemagora on 03/21, got shipping confirmation on 03/23, received one on 03/27 (!!) and still waiting on the other one. Stealth was good enough that I'm not worried, I expect the second envelope will arrive any day now.

...Just wanted to amend this, my second envelope arrived hours after I posted this. A++, would buy again!

 

[aynsoph]

They contacted me with a reply that they needed a photo of the unopened package with the crushed pellet and the one missing. The problem was that I had already used two of the pellets and the crushed one. All I was asking for was for a re-ship of the one missing 20mg pellet of 4HO-MiPT and they couldn't even give me that! If I wanted to lie, I could easily have stated that the order never arrived and asked for a complete re-ship. I'm sorry, but this one experience has me disappointed in them a little since it was a pricey order for me and the one pellet meant a difference.

 

[aynsoph]

Ordered 10 pellets of 1cP-LSD and five pellets of 4HO-MiPT on the evening of Tuesday, April 6, they said they shipped them in two separate envelopes on Thursday, April 8, and I just received the five 4HO-MiPT pellets today, Thursday, April 15 to the extreme southern part of the US! So, not bad considering eight day shipping from Canada! I've had packages shipped within the US that have been taking longer!! I'll update when/if the 1cP-LSD pellets are received.

I miscalculated, the total amount of days in transit after being marked as shipped and it was actually seven days with a Sunday in-between, making it six business days for the 20mg 4HO-MiPT pellets to arrive.

I received the order of 10 150mcg pellets of 1cP-LSD today, but testing won't begin until about three to four weeks from now. Ordered on the evening of Tuesday, April 6, marked as shipped on Thursday, April 8, and received on Friday, April 16. Eight total days in transit with a Sunday in-between making it a total of seven business days in transit. Note that I am in the extreme south of the US.

I tried all four pellets of the 20mg 4HO-MiPT pellets yesterday when I noticed one was crushed. I then later realized that the order was one pellet short and it hadn't fallen anywhere either as I had opened it over a drawer that was thoroughly searched through. I should have counted better before opening but I've been I'll and just wanted to feel a little better.

I only felt a very mild "come-up-like" effect that lasted about four hours but maybe it was because of the Anti-Depressent I am on or the fact that I had the runs.

I had already received five 20mg pellets of the 4HO-MiPT a while back, but I have been saving them for an actually planned upcoming trip. I really needed that one extra pellet to make it three separate tests of 40mg when I have stopped my Anti-Depressent for at least a couple of weeks.

I find it odd that one can contact the company and claim that they had never received their order and can obtain a re-ship, yet I can't be believed when I tell the truth about one missing pellet and they continued to request a photo of the unopened packet even when I stated that they had already been tested. They just won't even send me a one pellet re-ship.

Well, I didn't push it as I really need an extra pellet and don't want to risk being banned so I will just have to scratch up some funds just for their three 20mg 4HO-MiPT pellets order.

 

[kranulitis]

I miscalculated, the total amount of days in transit after being marked as shipped and it was actually seven days with a Sunday in-between, making it six business days for the 20mg 4HO-MiPT pellets to arrive.

I received the order of 10 150mcg pellets of 1cP-LSD today, but testing won't begin until about three to four weeks from now. Ordered on the evening of Tuesday, April 6, marked as shipped on Thursday, April 8, and received on Friday, April 16. Eight total days in transit with a Sunday in-between making it a total of seven business days in transit. Note that I am in the extreme south of the US.

I tried all four pellets of the 20mg 4HO-MiPT pellets yesterday when I noticed one was crushed. I then later realized that the order was one pellet short and it hadn't fallen anywhere either as I had opened it over a drawer that was thoroughly searched through. I should have counted better before opening but I've been I'll and just wanted to feel a little better.

I only felt a very mild "come-up-like" effect that lasted about four hours but maybe it was because of the Anti-Depressent I am on or the fact that I had the runs.

I had already received five 20mg pellets of the 4HO-MiPT a while back, but I have been saving them for an actually planned upcoming trip. I really needed that one extra pellet to make it three separate tests of 40mg when I have stopped my Anti-Depressent for at least a couple of weeks.

I find it odd that one can contact the company and claim that they had never received their order and can obtain a re-ship, yet I can't be believed when I tell the truth about one missing pellet and they continued to request a photo of the unopened packet even when I stated that they had already been tested. They just won't even send me a one pellet re-ship.

Well, I didn't push it as I really need an extra pellet and don't want to risk being banned so I will just have to scratch up some funds just for their three 20mg 4HO-MiPT pellets order.

Out of all the vendors out there I think they may have the best customer service. If they reshipped an extra pellet every time someone accused them of miscounting, theyd be sending a lot of pellets to people that likely received their full order. Maybe they did screw up but I would just cut it as a $6 loss 

 

[aynsoph]

@kranulitis

No, I have not had good customer service. This has turned into a $60 loss for me with what I have to order now through Paxful and I could have just said that I never even received my order and gotten five free pellets with a re-ship.

I'm not one of these rich people who orders in bulk. If not for my family, I would be homeless for sure!

When ordering five pellets and receiving only four, that is 20% of the order.

Imagine ordering 100 pellets and only receiving 80. Wouldn't one contact customer service and expect a resolution then? Wouldn't one have clearly opened the packet due to the large quantity and then found out through manual counting about the loss? Then customer service would say, "Send us a photo of the unopened packet." How in the world would anyone be able to count that quantity in a photo?

I don't even have a device that would take that good of a photo! And, I just eyeballed what I received and noticed the crushed pellet leading me to open the packet to inspect the others. It never even occurred to me to count the number before opening as I have never had this problem before after hundreds of licit and non orders. Quite the opposite, actually. When I was on Dream and Silk Road, everything I ordered was overweight and/or extra was added. It was all cheaper, too! Now that I have gone fully legal, I don't know what is happening with me, but I have been undersold with these licit vendors, at least recently, and not just Chemagora. I think it is probably God telling me to just stop all this already. But, I continue to rebel.

I am sorry, but for me, anyway, I have had much better customer service from the Netherlands! Chemagora's stealth is great, but they have lousy customer service with me.

 

[kranulitis]

@kranulitis

No, I have not had good customer service. This has turned into a $60 loss for me with what I have to order now through Paxful and I could have just said that I never even received my order and gotten five free pellets with a re-ship.

I'm not one of these rich people who orders in bulk. If not for my family, I would be homeless for sure!

When ordering five pellets and receiving only four, that is 20% of the order.

Imagine ordering 100 pellets and only receiving 80. Wouldn't one contact customer service and expect a resolution then? Wouldn't one have clearly opened the packet due to the large quantity and then found out through manual counting about the loss? Then customer service would say, "Send us a photo of the unopened packet." How in the world would anyone be able to count that quantity in a photo?

I don't even have a device that would take that good of a photo! And, I just eyeballed what I received and noticed the crushed pellet leading me to open the packet to inspect the others. It never even occurred to me to count the number before opening as I have never had this problem before after hundreds of licit and non orders. Quite the opposite, actually. When I was on Dream and Silk Road, everything I ordered was overweight and/or extra was added. It was all cheaper, too! Now that I have gone fully legal, I don't know what is happening with me, but I have been undersold with these licit vendors, at least recently, and not just Chemagora. I think it is probably God telling me to just stop all this already. But, I continue to rebel.

I am sorry, but for me, anyway, I have had much better customer service from the Netherlands! Chemagora's stealth is great, but they have lousy customer service with me.

Dude...get a grip. You're victimizing yourself and using examples that are out of Chemagora's control. If a customer that spends a lot of money had a fucked up order they would probably take care of them rather than sending you a single pellet in the mail. Chemagora is more expensive than DNM vendors bc they operate a legal (semi legal?) business rather than a DNM storefront. I've only ever had good interactions with them and they even went out of their way one to fix one of my fuck ups

 

[aynsoph]

@kranulitis

OK. I'm not picking a fight nor playing the victim. I know I've been complaining a lot recently. I'm finished.

 

[kranulitis]

@kranulitis

OK. I'm not picking a fight nor playing the victim. I know I've been complaining a lot recently. I'm finished.

I'm being kind of a dick I suppose but they have been nothing but good to me