7OH sources and issues

[novedexrex]

Just curious to see anyone's best sources for 7OH online and if there are any RC vendors who may offer powder. The 2 vendors I have used that have been great are:

1. wonderlandbotanicals.com - great variety, cool to have the 100% pseudo option which im just now trying. Extras included and tracking provided with quick shipping.

2. Simply7oh.com- great products and quality. I tried 2 types of their extract powder, both great. Tracking provided and super fast shipping (3 days total).

The issue i now have is Florida has unconstitutionally banned all 7OH products so now most of the great and established suppliers explicitly state on their websites they will not ship to Florida. Open to suggestions here and im sure there are others in this predicament. I have seen vendors with products that are Florida compliant where its 1% 7OH tabs that are just larger filler material so a 20mg 7oh tab is now 2grams by weight total which gets around the loop hole, at least for now.

In the past, I've seen some of the pastebin peeps offering 7OH extract powder and maybe more will start doing this if the Florida ban spreads to other states. This might be a good time for any of them reading this to expand your customer base bc if you arent in my situation with a state ban now, it may be coming to your home state soon also. 7OH filled a much needed gap in available opiod product that isnt too insanely strong like the zenes (too strong/potent and very dangerous for me bc OD risk and dosing/insane tolerance) or spirochlorphine/ cychlorphine, but a bit stronger and easier to use than ODSMT (which is actually a decent RC opi product but I think 7OH is still superior effect wise). It sure was nice while 7OH was a legal and readily available alternative.

This whole FL 7OH ban is just stupid, classic short sighted thinking by local politicians or intentional to force people into MAT treatment centers who have very very quickly stepped up their advertising knowing 7OH was just banned and a lot of local users are now going to be feeling very uncomfortable and susceptible to making the poor decision to get on MAT.

If you're in a state currently proposing any bans, I'd advise you to stock up ahead of time. Actually anywhere in the US, you probably want to stock up now because i would not be surprised if this becomes a national 7OH ban before long. Any suppliers would be really smart to stock up on quality 7OH extracts & tabs while its still easily available from good online vendors.

Don't get on MAT.

Feel free to DM me.

Respectfully,

Dex

 

[Mammasboi123]

Just curious to see anyone's best sources for 7OH online and if there are any RC vendors who may offer powder. The 2 vendors I have used that have been great are:

1. wonderlandbotanicals.com - great variety, cool to have the 100% pseudo option which im just now trying. Extras included and tracking provided with quick shipping.

2. Simply7oh.com- great products and quality. I tried 2 types of their extract powder, both great. Tracking provided and super fast shipping (3 days total).

The issue i now have is Florida has unconstitutionally banned all 7OH products so now most of the great and established suppliers explicitly state on their websites they will not ship to Florida. Open to suggestions here and im sure there are others in this predicament. I have seen vendors with products that are Florida compliant where its 1% 7OH tabs that are just larger filler material so a 20mg 7oh tab is now 2grams by weight total which gets around the loop hole, at least for now.

In the past, I've seen some of the pastebin peeps offering 7OH extract powder and maybe more will start doing this if the Florida ban spreads to other states. This might be a good time for any of them reading this to expand your customer base bc if you arent in my situation with a state ban now, it may be coming to your home state soon also. 7OH filled a much needed gap in available opiod product that isnt too insanely strong like the zenes (too strong/potent and very dangerous for me bc OD risk and dosing/insane tolerance) or spirochlorphine/ cychlorphine, but a bit stronger and easier to use than ODSMT (which is actually a decent RC opi product but I think 7OH is still superior effect wise). It sure was nice while 7OH was a legal and readily available alternative.

This whole FL 7OH ban is just stupid, classic short sighted thinking by local politicians or intentional to force people into MAT treatment centers who have very very quickly stepped up their advertising knowing 7OH was just banned and a lot of local users are now going to be feeling very uncomfortable and susceptible to making the poor decision to get on MAT.

If you're in a state currently proposing any bans, I'd advise you to stock up ahead of time. Actually anywhere in the US, you probably want to stock up now because i would not be surprised if this becomes a national 7OH ban before long. Any suppliers would be really smart to stock up on quality 7OH extracts & tabs while its still easily available from good online vendors.

Don't get on MAT.

Feel free to DM me.

Respectfully,

Dex

Damn, sorry to hear about the FL ban.. at the same time not surprising - I’m sure there’s more states to come that’ll do the same, sadly.. Typical lazy state/federal govt - instead of taking time to craft legislation to properly regulate a market, the go to instinct is to blanket ban and criminalize its’ use.

I know that @CnC5 used to have 70|-| products, but not positive if it’s still on their menu or not. He may be able to source for you though so it may be worth a shot asking if it’s not on menu! .

Good luck and stay safe!

-MB

 

[novedexrex]

***Wonderlandbotanicals site is actually

wgbotanicals.com


Thanks @mommasboi123. Last i checked @CnC5 they were not carrying it but I know thats a good vendor and exactly the type of supplier id be hoping would carry it as a backup option (for my friends in states where it is not banned obviously )

I was staying safe and have always approached 7OH with a large amount of caution, documenting all amounts taken after seeing all the crazy sfories of withdrawl which i think largely come from opiod naive people who just took it bc they liked how they felt but then realized they were going into WDs for discontinuing unaware they had been becoming dependnet on opis in the first place. I like to think these types of incidents and uninformed consumers was the reason for the statewide ban and not a more nefarious and malicious effort by big pharma but with all the money in rehab and MAT meds, I doubt thats the full reason.

Damn, sorry to hear about the FL ban.. at the same time not surprising - I’m sure there’s more states to come that’ll do the same, sadly.. Typical lazy state/federal govt - instead of taking time to craft legislation to properly regulate a market, the go to instinct is to blanket ban and criminalize its’ use.

I know that @CnC5 used to have 70|-| products, but not positive if it’s still on their menu or not. He may be able to source for you though so it may be worth a shot asking if it’s not on menu! .

Good luck and stay safe!

-MB

 

[player72]

Damn, sorry to hear about the FL ban.. at the same time not surprising - I’m sure there’s more states to come that’ll do the same, sadly.. Typical lazy state/federal govt - instead of taking time to craft legislation to properly regulate a market, the go to instinct is to blanket ban and criminalize its’ use.

I know that @CnC5 used to have 70|-| products, but not positive if it’s still on their menu or not. He may be able to source for you though so it may be worth a shot asking if it’s not on menu! .

Good luck and stay safe!

-MB

I remember he didn't ship VII oh to banned states so doubt FL is in the cards with him but will watch.

 

[player72]

Also have seen but not tried instructions that are floating around to extract se73n. If they work can expect plain leaf itself to be in the crosshairs as a pre cur sore quickly.

 

[Kruppe]

I foresee it becoming scheduled in the near future. There are so many articles and news pieces on it after the FDA announcements. I think its only a matter of time. Mastercard has already suspended vendors from using credit card processors on 7OH products. So they must obviously think it's going to be banned.

I just hope Kratom doesn't get caught up in the ban as well. I'm pretty much over the 7oh. It was okay, but I got addicted for a while. I'm clear of it now but it's a shame for others who enjoy it.

 

[Bluejay]

Kratomdistro.com, Based in Florida

 

[CnC5]

We will soon have 7oh and will be shipping to banned states! Get ready Murica!!!

 

[novedexrex]

Kratomdistro.com, Based in Florida

They would not send to Florida even before the ban. Sucks bc they seemed decent.

 

[novedexrex]

There's still multiple local smokeshops offering it. Its just been removed from their displays hahaha. Funny how bans work. Kinda like the the gun free zones in Chicago. I was hoping the local shops would just sell off everything for much cheaper but that definitely did not happen. Only 1 shop gave me a hard no it wasn't available bc its banned. So out of all the available florida smokeshops/kratom sources, only 1 is currently compliant with the law/ban and i think that's bc they are a kratom specialist store so they are more aware of having to be compliant and relevant legislation for anything krarom related.

its such a dumb ban or maybe a really, really smart one depending on how your money is invested. I've got friends in other states with legit opi problems who've been on all the MAT substances and they've had help from the availability of 7OH but between the high smoke shop pricing on tabs and now having to worry about the ban, its becoming less and less of a viable alternative. It feels intentional against people having a legal and safe alternative.

Its like everyone on fent/presses or MAT/rehab patients/AA& NA cult members (another topic entirely don't get me started haha) is the ideal gov/big pharma scenario and 7OH was just too much potential to change that dynamic. I just wish they would leave things alone- the war on drugs was lost a long time ago. Portugal model should be used in the US. Legalize everything. Improve treatment and options. Treatment in the US overall is a fkin joke. Banning 7OH is going to force many more people to hard-core opis (or China type RCs that are ways too potent but legal) and MAT/treatment. It will harm far more than it "helps." Theres a lot of people going to treatment for kratom and extracts, way more than you would think. And they put them on subs, which is the dumbest thing ever. Would not be surprised if we see an antidepressant, pain medication, or MAT that is basically big pharma 7OH and also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the current presses out there are 7OH mixed with some China RCs. The effects will be there but the safety and reliability def wont. I've lost friends to those stupid/mismeasured presses and for more to the potent bs out there. 7OH fit a much needed gap in current options and of course they ban it. Wtf.

And to the comment about making it. Its harder than what I've seen some claim to produce with a UV light and other means. You can make regular kratom extracts pretty easy but in my experience buying an already mace extract or just using more kratom plant powder is best. Its probably a good source of fiber haha. There's also see the added issue of doing so where it is banned would amplify legal consequences of going through the process of making 7OH so i won't pursue that in my currently geographically restricted area. 7OH is a highly refined extract and only a verh small amount present in the plant. But yeah I've seen conflicting reports on how easy 7OH is or isnt to refine but either way, not something I would pursue for multiple reasons.

Thanks for all the responses. Yall be safe out there. Don't fall for the temptation of super potent opis if 7OH ban comes to you. And if you choose 7OH, just be cautious and know it can cause withdrawl. I never had withdrawal even from cold turkey after high amounts of daily kratom powder for years straight. 7OH will def cause some withdrawal but if you're smart and taper, its very manageable.

To @CnC5 thank you amigo. This is exactly the response I was hoping for. Doing the Lord's work. I know you're a good magazine provider bc the last batch of B12 I got from you before they banned B12 shots in my state were great and got my energy levels up with quick shipping.

 

[Flydaddy5000]

There's still multiple local smokeshops offering it. Its just been removed from their displays hahaha. Funny how bans work. Kinda like the the gun free zones in Chicago. I was hoping the local shops would just sell off everything for much cheaper but that definitely did not happen. Only 1 shop gave me a hard no it wasn't available bc its banned. So out of all the available florida smokeshops/kratom sources, only 1 is currently compliant with the law/ban and i think that's bc they are a kratom specialist store so they are more aware of having to be compliant and relevant legislation for anything krarom related.

its such a dumb ban or maybe a really, really smart one depending on how your money is invested. I've got friends in other states with legit opi problems who've been on all the MAT substances and they've had help from the availability of 7OH but between the high smoke shop pricing on tabs and now having to worry about the ban, its becoming less and less of a viable alternative. It feels intentional against people having a legal and safe alternative.

Its like everyone on fent/presses or MAT/rehab patients/AA& NA cult members (another topic entirely don't get me started haha) is the ideal gov/big pharma scenario and 7OH was just too much potential to change that dynamic. I just wish they would leave things alone- the war on drugs was lost a long time ago. Portugal model should be used in the US. Legalize everything. Improve treatment and options. Treatment in the US overall is a fkin joke. Banning 7OH is going to force many more people to hard-core opis (or China type RCs that are ways too potent but legal) and MAT/treatment. It will harm far more than it "helps." Theres a lot of people going to treatment for kratom and extracts, way more than you would think. And they put them on subs, which is the dumbest thing ever. Would not be surprised if we see an antidepressant, pain medication, or MAT that is basically big pharma 7OH and also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the current presses out there are 7OH mixed with some China RCs. The effects will be there but the safety and reliability def wont. I've lost friends to those stupid/mismeasured presses and for more to the potent bs out there. 7OH fit a much needed gap in current options and of course they ban it. Wtf.

And to the comment about making it. Its harder than what I've seen some claim to produce with a UV light and other means. You can make regular kratom extracts pretty easy but in my experience buying an already mace extract or just using more kratom plant powder is best. Its probably a good source of fiber haha. There's also see the added issue of doing so where it is banned would amplify legal consequences of going through the process of making 7OH so i won't pursue that in my currently geographically restricted area. 7OH is a highly refined extract and only a verh small amount present in the plant. But yeah I've seen conflicting reports on how easy 7OH is or isnt to refine but either way, not something I would pursue for multiple reasons.

Thanks for all the responses. Yall be safe out there. Don't fall for the temptation of super potent opis if 7OH ban comes to you. And if you choose 7OH, just be cautious and know it can cause withdrawl. I never had withdrawal even from cold turkey after high amounts of daily kratom powder for years straight. 7OH will def cause some withdrawal but if you're smart and taper, its very manageable.

To @CnC5 thank you amigo. This is exactly the response I was hoping for. Doing the Lord's work. I know you're a good magazine provider bc the last batch of B12 I got from you before they banned B12 shots in my state were great and got my energy levels up with quick shipping.

Depending where you can get to in Florida, I may know of a pretty sweet solution. But I’d have to ask. Long time “buddy” would help you out. He’s very well respected but not as known anymore but I still talk to him, could see if he knows who’s willing, that is until @CnC5 gets on. Then I’d just do that. My “buddy” has enough on his plate and the above mentioned vendor has my respect so that’s my advice. I know he does good business and heard he’s worth the go, I still gotta check him out….those dang diamonds were what I wanted and when I went for em poof! But I’d keep checking his menu out. I do

EDIT! Hey I don’t know if I broke any rules and if I did please just let an admin delete this. I am NOT trying to vend anything without permission. Just as a part time Floridian that gets the struggle it pulled my strings and just wanted to be helpful to all. Again sorry if this was not allowed/cool. I’d just wait for @CnC5. My apologies if I was acting crazy…sometimes I forget where I’m at and what I’m aloud to say/do. I’m a nerd and this place is becoming a sort of “ home away from home” forum compared to the other places…especially lately with what is happening over in another forum right now. so I wanna keep it kosher. I was only trying to be compassionate in truth. My bad if that was breaking rules or just straight up thirsty looking and disrespectful to real heroes here. I love the DbG Pham! But without saying much. I’ve had people trying to dump it as well as pseudo on me and that’s where they are sooo..birds n stones I guess? Those alkaloids aren’t for me anymore unfortunately otherwise I’d build a coffee table out of brix o 7. Because well…why not

 

[necromedic]

There's still multiple local smokeshops offering it. Its just been removed from their displays hahaha. Funny how bans work. Kinda like the the gun free zones in Chicago. I was hoping the local shops would just sell off everything for much cheaper but that definitely did not happen. Only 1 shop gave me a hard no it wasn't available bc its banned. So out of all the available florida smokeshops/kratom sources, only 1 is currently compliant with the law/ban and i think that's bc they are a kratom specialist store so they are more aware of having to be compliant and relevant legislation for anything krarom related.

its such a dumb ban or maybe a really, really smart one depending on how your money is invested. I've got friends in other states with legit opi problems who've been on all the MAT substances and they've had help from the availability of 7OH but between the high smoke shop pricing on tabs and now having to worry about the ban, its becoming less and less of a viable alternative. It feels intentional against people having a legal and safe alternative.

Its like everyone on fent/presses or MAT/rehab patients/AA& NA cult members (another topic entirely don't get me started haha) is the ideal gov/big pharma scenario and 7OH was just too much potential to change that dynamic. I just wish they would leave things alone- the war on drugs was lost a long time ago. Portugal model should be used in the US. Legalize everything. Improve treatment and options. Treatment in the US overall is a fkin joke. Banning 7OH is going to force many more people to hard-core opis (or China type RCs that are ways too potent but legal) and MAT/treatment. It will harm far more than it "helps." Theres a lot of people going to treatment for kratom and extracts, way more than you would think. And they put them on subs, which is the dumbest thing ever. Would not be surprised if we see an antidepressant, pain medication, or MAT that is basically big pharma 7OH and also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the current presses out there are 7OH mixed with some China RCs. The effects will be there but the safety and reliability def wont. I've lost friends to those stupid/mismeasured presses and for more to the potent bs out there. 7OH fit a much needed gap in current options and of course they ban it. Wtf.

And to the comment about making it. Its harder than what I've seen some claim to produce with a UV light and other means. You can make regular kratom extracts pretty easy but in my experience buying an already mace extract or just using more kratom plant powder is best. Its probably a good source of fiber haha. There's also see the added issue of doing so where it is banned would amplify legal consequences of going through the process of making 7OH so i won't pursue that in my currently geographically restricted area. 7OH is a highly refined extract and only a verh small amount present in the plant. But yeah I've seen conflicting reports on how easy 7OH is or isnt to refine but either way, not something I would pursue for multiple reasons.

Thanks for all the responses. Yall be safe out there. Don't fall for the temptation of super potent opis if 7OH ban comes to you. And if you choose 7OH, just be cautious and know it can cause withdrawl. I never had withdrawal even from cold turkey after high amounts of daily kratom powder for years straight. 7OH will def cause some withdrawal but if you're smart and taper, its very manageable.

To @CnC5 thank you amigo. This is exactly the response I was hoping for. Doing the Lord's work. I know you're a good magazine provider bc the last batch of B12 I got from you before they banned B12 shots in my state were great and got my energy levels up with quick shipping.

I, for one, would love to hear your AA/NA cult rant as I have my own experience and opinions about them. Might be deserving of its own thread.

 

[novedexrex]

I, for one, would love to hear your AA/NA cult rant as I have my own experience and opinions about them. Might be deserving of its own thread.

It's definitely deserving of its own thread. Someone should definitely start one.

I just know the programing and blatant lies around kratom are insane in NA/AA and ramping up big time with anything around that industry. I've gone cold turkey large doses of kratom to nothing and it wasn't much of an issue. 7OH definitely needs a taper. I successfully got myself off bad drugs with kratom. 7OH was a great options to not use other shizz. I'm a year AA/NA free but friends with plenty in there its allegedly working for. Thats a huge part of the problem- people forced to go right alongside people there by choice. This creates a major issue most fail to address or call out.

Im hesitant to bash AA/NA just bc i know someone struggling might read it. JK- thats the whole problem! It's a cult, people should know that ahead of time to be prepared. Its half sharks, half guppies in there. Hard to be a dolphin around them waters. You cant leave without being told you will die. You can't question anything. You're told what to do and how to think. If you think for yourself, you're being self-serving and smarter than the program which has been proven to work (statistically far from it). The little culty inner circle acts like they are so righteous but often just super gossipy weirdo mofos who weren't much fun to do substances with to begin with and now even less fun on Prozac and half baked Christianity. It squirts if you jerk it! Come to NA/AA and testafyyyyy brotha! It stays within the circle....fucking not! If you're a female and a 6 or better, prepare to be more popular than you've ever been in yo mfkin life. It wont help your issues and if you try to go to all women's groups, they'll scissor ya quick. Gay for the stay i think is their expression.

Theres dumbasses in Florida literally posting social media pics of the meeting (inside the actual meeting room) with random people there, many probably unaware. How's that for anonymity!? So many reasons thats wrong.

 

[necromedic]

It's definitely deserving of its own thread. Someone should definitely start one.

I just know the programing and blatant lies around kratom are insane in NA/AA and ramping up big time with anything around that industry. I've gone cold turkey large doses of kratom to nothing and it wasn't much of an issue. 7OH definitely needs a taper. I successfully got myself off bad drugs with kratom. 7OH was a great options to not use other shizz. I'm a year AA/NA free but friends with plenty in there its allegedly working for. Thats a huge part of the problem- people forced to go right alongside people there by choice. This creates a major issue most fail to address or call out.

Im hesitant to bash AA/NA just bc i know someone struggling might read it. JK- thats the whole problem! It's a cult, people should know that ahead of time to be prepared. Its half sharks, half guppies in there. Hard to be a dolphin around them waters. You cant leave without being told you will die. You can't question anything. You're told what to do and how to think. If you think for yourself, you're being self-serving and smarter than the program which has been proven to work (statistically far from it). The little culty inner circle acts like they are so righteous but often just super gossipy weirdo mofos who weren't much fun to do substances with to begin with and now even less fun on Prozac and half baked Christianity. It squirts if you jerk it! Come to NA/AA and testafyyyyy brotha! It stays within the circle....fucking not! If you're a female and a 6 or better, prepare to be more popular than you've ever been in yo mfkin life. It wont help your issues and if you try to go to all women's groups, they'll scissor ya quick. Gay for the stay i think is their expression.

Theres dumbasses in Florida literally posting social media pics of the meeting (inside the actual meeting room) with random people there, many probably unaware. How's that for anonymity!? So many reasons thats wrong.

Couldn’t agree with you more. I was a nihilistic, suicidal, terminal alcoholic for years and started going to AA and quickly became disgusted with the program, or at least the groups in my area. It was just a group of people who sat around rehashing the same stories of the depths of their depravity like they were reminiscing about the “good ol’ days.” There was no progress, no self-improvement, no aspiration to be better and absolutely no empowerment. It finally made sense to me the insistence on referring to oneself as a “recovering alcoholic,” not a “recovered alcoholic.” They didn’t want you to utilize the program to stop drinking, they wanted you to believe that you were powerless to stay dry without it. Their statement of belief in a “higher power” is not an acknowledgment of God, His love, His mercy or His power. The god of AA is AA itself, and if you stray from its flock, you’re destined for failure, misery and death. God gave me the willpower to stop drinking and has completely removed even the passing desire to do so.

 

[Flydaddy5000]

It's definitely deserving of its own thread. Someone should definitely start one.

I just know the programing and blatant lies around kratom are insane in NA/AA and ramping up big time with anything around that industry. I've gone cold turkey large doses of kratom to nothing and it wasn't much of an issue. 7OH definitely needs a taper. I successfully got myself off bad drugs with kratom. 7OH was a great options to not use other shizz. I'm a year AA/NA free but friends with plenty in there its allegedly working for. Thats a huge part of the problem- people forced to go right alongside people there by choice. This creates a major issue most fail to address or call out.

Im hesitant to bash AA/NA just bc i know someone struggling might read it. JK- thats the whole problem! It's a cult, people should know that ahead of time to be prepared. Its half sharks, half guppies in there. Hard to be a dolphin around them waters. You cant leave without being told you will die. You can't question anything. You're told what to do and how to think. If you think for yourself, you're being self-serving and smarter than the program which has been proven to work (statistically far from it). The little culty inner circle acts like they are so righteous but often just super gossipy weirdo mofos who weren't much fun to do substances with to begin with and now even less fun on Prozac and half baked Christianity. It squirts if you jerk it! Come to NA/AA and testafyyyyy brotha! It stays within the circle....fucking not! If you're a female and a 6 or better, prepare to be more popular than you've ever been in yo mfkin life. It wont help your issues and if you try to go to all women's groups, they'll scissor ya quick. Gay for the stay i think is their expression.

Theres dumbasses in Florida literally posting social media pics of the meeting (inside the actual meeting room) with random people there, many probably unaware. How's that for anonymity!? So many reasons thats wrong.

Yeah we need some better service models for the community due to what you just mentioned. I’ve personally experienced this stuff in a@/n@ and probably worse and it’s not worth bringing attention over. But those “rooms” were dangerous in the 2000’s. I couldn’t imagine how much more cut throat narcissists are rocking the scene now. I’ve met people at meeting that don’t even stay sober or get high very often…or ever. They go for the drama, attention, or predator shit of all kinds. I’d never let my kids go there by themselves as adault if that tells you how much I agree with the above statement. And what happens to vulnerable people (not only women) can really make a person who’s trying to beat a disorder develop much worse disorders down the line. People who I know personally that like going on the reg, abuse the program and it ruins it for people who need a kind of fostering support system and makes them abandon the whole concept of sobriety. Makes me cry some times if I’m being honest.

 

[necromedic]

Yeah we need some better service models for the community due to what you just mentioned. I’ve personally experienced this stuff in a@/n@ and probably worse and it’s not worth bringing attention over. But those “rooms” were dangerous in the 2000’s. I couldn’t imagine how much more cut throat narcissists are rocking the scene now. I’ve met people at meeting that don’t even stay sober or get high very often…or ever. They go for the drama, attention, or predator shit of all kinds. I’d never let my kids go there by themselves as adault if that tells you how much I agree with the above statement. And what happens to vulnerable people (not only women) can really make a person who’s trying to beat a disorder develop much worse disorders down the line. People who I know personally that like going on the reg, abuse the program and it ruins it for people who need a kind of fostering support system and makes them abandon the whole concept of sobriety. Makes me cry some times if I’m being honest.

Brother, you’re certainly not alone there. I frequently weep over the corruption of things that have so much potential for good by those who seek power over others, and those groups are, unfortunately, only one example amongst innumerable others. I feel like I’ve kind of derailed this thread with my schizophrenic ranting, and for that, I apologize and yield my time.

 

[Yaugae5121]

We will soon have 7oh and will be shipping to banned states! Get ready Murica!!!

Hell yeah dude!!! That’s huge and definitely a product that will sell. Yall are awesome!!

 

[novedexrex]

Brother, you’re certainly not alone there. I frequently weep over the corruption of things that have so much potential for good by those who seek power over others, and those groups are, unfortunately, only one example amongst innumerable others. I feel like I’ve kind of derailed this thread with my schizophrenic ranting, and for that, I apologize and yield my time.

No worries- appreciate the feedback. I def have the best answer to my original question. @CnC5 is da one to check. Always been a square deal with past mags so thats the route if/when to try. Just wish this stupid ban and overall attitude of the system would change- Portugal regulation/program is a good model. Its the whole stigma and legality thing that give that stupid morality and heirchal BS around treatment and culture of the whole rehab industry and what is then implemented into NA/AA culture. I know so many solid people who have been or are still in those programs who i know would benefit greatly from availability for things like 7OH if given like a supplement in a time release dose vs what they take from their psych doc after rehab and NA/AA programming. But that gets into a very weird space of big pharma overlapping with cultural conditioning. I know I've been put on plenty of psych meds that were far more damaging and messed up than any type of plant product or extract. But of course the programming in the AA/NA allows for doctors to be allowed to really slip their indoctrination back in. Most dont know shit. Theres barely been an acceptance of the thc products and california sober is becoming a thing. Woop tee do. At least people in those groups are starting to talk about it. I know i can state my own opinions on things without prefacing them with "an old timer once told me." I fucking hate that whole premise. Old timers and their hidden jewels of knowledge only given to them from years of sitting on their ass in the same meeting after being a piece of shit so they became boring and in a cult. Sign me right tf up! Haha. Do you really have to spend years in a boring meeting for your opinion to matter? In a lot of places, this becomes the dynamic. But its also a boring subject to discuss for meetings where there isnt shit else to say.

Goes back to the expression: a group of sheep is called a flock and a group of humans is called a "fuck that." People individually can and are more often or not decent once you get to know them beyond appearances. But when you have people behaving in and operating within a group dynamic/system, the worst tends to come out. When you get into the housing and landlord in the same program and connecting living with being in a pseudo religious cult, things can get weird for sure.

I've been around the NA/AA scene multiple states and reasons for some time. Its weird how robotic it is talking to people who have been in that 1 month- 1 year range. Like they can't think for themself and it's scary trying to get them to speak openly about very relevant topics. And i think if you try, they just start gossiping about you bc they wont speak to you for questioning some aspects of the program or people in it that are behaving as predators or making significant profit from it via rehab and sober living. Some out of genuine intention to help others and some all about the money and clout. Sometimes its not obvious either. Things can be very ambiguous and convoluted quick.

But yeah this topic for sure needs its own thread! I think those programs can help some people and some times but anyone going into rehab and AA/NA not prepared for be manipulated and taken advantage of is in for a rude awakening.


Its hilarious that this forum of people looking for shit does an infinitely better job being anonymous. That is truly funny if you think about it given all the selfish righteous anonymous recovered people im certain anyone reading this can think of. No resentments! Lol.

 

[sporidicus]

I am wondering about the Thai vendors that all the domestic vendors were getting it from, although I'm guessing a fair bit is made domestically now too.

 

[novedexrex]

I got off the 7 with some SR17018, kratom powder and lots of vitamin c. I can see why they banned the shit now. Lol.