Kratom potentiators?

@Rustytrombone87 Very similar experience with Good ole Tia. I switched from 60gpd of Kratom to tia and loved that it didn't dehydrate me so much and felt like a opie stim heavenly compound. fast forward to unmeasured toss and wash when cold sweat hit which seemed to be every 45 min on sodium. Got to the free acid/sulphate and now finally tapered down back to kratom at 5g 3 times daily. If anyone has Tia or Kratom questions feel free to ask I have 7 years Kratom experience and 4 hellish years tia experience. Happy to help if possible. 

 
@Beardown321”But it’s just a nootropic”….how many poor bastards had their life ruined thinking they were just getting into some innocent brain vitamins and supplements? Buying their noopept and lions mane capsules—then seeing this shit pop up on their nootropic vendor”s inventory? 

for the opiate naive, like myself when I first tried tia, I had no idea that that awesome feeling of well-being, motivation and energy from a couple small scoops of white powder was in fact an opiate buzz.
Although not as easy to find, unlike 5 years ago, I think tia is still legal in the US.

Im on 8mg/day suboxone currently because of tia. When I finally decided to get help with it, I was easily going through 3-4gpd.

when I induced the subs, i got up to 20mg and still felt WD for 3 days until the subs took over, even then it was a struggle because of tia’s antidepressant side.

 Crazy shit!

 
apple cider vinegar 

irish Crean n coffee 

margarita's work the best though!

 
Jiub1 said:
@TommyAC thank you! I have actually never tried antihistamines on either opis or kratom, but I will! 

Also tianeptine looks really good and interesting! Looks like it isn't available in the US yet? If you have a source do you mind pm'ing me? 

Thanks again, 

Jiub 
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It was available for a long time. It is still the active agent in Tiana. About a year ago the States /feds started pursuing. Now it’s difficult. It packs a few punches itself but is excellent for WD or off and on with Kratom. I am sure many of you know the FDA is pursuing Kratom again on an international scale. They almost succeeded in banning it a few years ago. I swear if it is not one agency it is another. The AKA has done a good job but you have to watch certain states because they consider it a Sch 1. So you can do the math but 1gram of Kratom is treated as a gram of H.

 
agmatine. Cheap as hell. Buy a tub of it on amazon. Take it 30 min before dose. Also prevents tolerance accumulation. people use it to taper off as well.
 
Beardown321 said:
@Rustytrombone87 Very similar experience with Good ole Tia. I switched from 60gpd of Kratom to tia and loved that it didn't dehydrate me so much and felt like a opie stim heavenly compound. fast forward to unmeasured toss and wash when cold sweat hit which seemed to be every 45 min on sodium. Got to the free acid/sulphate and now finally tapered down back to kratom at 5g 3 times daily. If anyone has Tia or Kratom questions feel free to ask I have 7 years Kratom experience and 4 hellish years tia experience. Happy to help if possible.
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So you would say most are better off to take kratom? Im asking because im trying to taper off kratom now and looking for anything that could help WDs
 
TommyAC said:
A moderate dose of an antihistamine (50mg benadryl for example) works for me, it works on most opioids. Also, it's not OTC but combining kratom with tianeptine was... interesting in a good way. As for induction or inhibition of metabolism, I don't think we know enough about kraton to even guess, specially since mitragynine metabolizes to 7-Hydroxymitragynine, which is more potent.
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I found the same and it’s a shame these items keep getting attention or worse placed at the same level with top tier items. Random note but seems most of the red states are now banning all delta products except cbd. It was bound to happen but the inconsistency is wild. Literally ones rights can change dramatically just be crossing a welcome sign. I mean dramatically.
 
Grapefruit juice and turmeric are two things that increase effects or duration, been using kratom for 7 years now.. grapefruit juice also masks the taste better than orange juice
 
Jiub1 said:
@TommyAC thank you! I have actually never tried antihistamines on either opis or kratom, but I will!

Also tianeptine looks really good and interesting! Looks like it isn't available in the US yet? If you have a source do you mind pm'ing me?

Thanks again,

Jiub
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DO NOT MIX ANTIHISTAMINE W ANY OPIATE. There's PLENTY OF LITERATURE ON THE DEADLY COMBO OF OPIATES AND BENADRYL FOR SURE.

I have personally almost died on accident from Dilly's and benadryl and then again from oxy morphine and benadryl before I woke up on the bathroom floor the second time I accidently mixed them w paramedics everywhere schooling me on how deadly research is starting to show that combo to be. That's coming from someone who had a script for 360 opana crushables/month + 180 x 8mg dillys for over 10 years before that happened so trust my tolerance was so high I'd be railing then non stop and still in withdrawal.

As for other antihistamines .... Not worth trying to find out.... Life is too precious.

Do your research instead of risking respiratory failure while nodding out and RIP. I also know a friend who passed mixing methadone and benadryl... Probably some tar too but never did get confirmation on that part.
 
Columnarcactu said:
DO NOT MIX ANTIHISTAMINE W ANY OPIATE. There's PLENTY OF LITERATURE ON THE DEADLY COMBO OF OPIATES AND BENADRYL FOR SURE.

I have personally almost died on accident from Dilly's and benadryl and then again from oxy morphine and benadryl before I woke up on the bathroom floor the second time I accidently mixed them w paramedics everywhere schooling me on how deadly research is starting to show that combo to be. That's coming from someone who had a script for 360 opana crushables/month + 180 x 8mg dillys for over 10 years before that happened so trust my tolerance was so high I'd be railing then non stop and still in withdrawal.

As for other antihistamines .... Not worth trying to find out.... Life is too precious.

Do your research instead of risking respiratory failure while nodding out and RIP. I also know a friend who passed mixing methadone and benadryl... Probably some tar too but never did get confirmation on that part.
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Prometh and codeine is prescribed as a mix. I would say mixing antihistamines and something as strong as opana is an entirely different discussion than Kratom.
 
True, but that also assumes nobody will come along see that post then mix a high dose of 7-oh and/or mgm15 instead of just Kratom leaf possibly leading to the same result if mixed w benadryl. Especially with an inexperienced user w low tolerance.

Additionally, pretty sure I said I'm my OP I'm not sure about other antihistamines, but I do know benadryl specifically mixed w high doses of opiates can be a recipe for ⚰️.

Turmeric and black pepper extract is safe and as long as u have good leaf then ur gonna be feeling fantastic anyways so.... Just saying I'd never reccomend that combo as the consequence of someone that doesn't know better hurting the self or worse.

Anyways that's my 4 cents.
 
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