People against ICE?

Why people being so illogical about ICE? They're going after illegal immigrants. Does the left honestly want completely open borders?
I also find it odd that a lot of Americans hate their country? Why live in a country you hate?

nice rage bait, now show me your papers

bokonon said:

nice rage bait, now show me your papers

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You realise the few "show me your papers" videos are them looking for an ILLEGAL immigrant that looks extremely similar to that person. Just like cops looking for a suspect and stopping someone that looks similar. The argument falls apart fairly quickly but you've gotta do more than scratch the surface. If you've done nothing wrong, then you're gonna be fine. Whilst you guys are literally assaulting people on the streets cause you think they're ICE? Or they're wearing something with an American flag?
I'm a gay centrist guy and I'll never let political bias influence my arguments. I don't like being in echo chambers eg reason for this post
Btw Renee Good is a whole other can of worms. He shouldn't have shot but it's such a small amount of time to make a decision and he shouldn't have been put in that position. We'll never know her true intentions but the wheels did spin hard. The officer had trauma from being dragged by a car previously and shouldn't have been on duty. Renee Good shouldn't of been there either
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Oh that ICE. Carry on.

Homoman69 said:

Forgive my writing, English isn't my native language

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Should we then also forgive your stupidity on the mater since your clearly not even from north america?

LittleDabbie420 said:

Should we then also forgive your stupidity on the mater since your clearly not even from north america?

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" I also find it odd that a lot of Americans hate their country? " says 'gay centrist' man who does not even live in said country ... i swear a good chunk of all internet activity is just bots / assholes trying to influence US politics

bokonon said:

" I also find it odd that a lot of Americans hate their country? " says 'gay centrist' man who does not even live in said country ... i swear a good chunk of all internet activity is just bots / assholes trying to influence US politics

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Can't you just reason with me without insulting me. Tell me your argument and I'll respond without disrespecting you

LittleDabbie420 said:

Should we then also forgive your stupidity on the mater since your clearly not even from north america?

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Give me a logical argument without assumptions. This is why I don't align with the left anymore. You just insult people with no logical thought or reasoning

bokonon said:

" I also find it odd that a lot of Americans hate their country? " says 'gay centrist' man who does not even live in said country ... i swear a good chunk of all internet activity is just bots / assholes trying to influence US politics

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Btw WTF is wrong with being gay? Or a centrist for that matter

Homoman69 said:

Give me a logical argument without assumptions. This is why I don't align with the left anymore. You just insult people with no logical thought or reasoning

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Troll...

Oh sure why not….

I don’t hate my country but I hate what my country is and has been doing since that dangerous, destructive, selfish, insecure knob, and his administration of cartoon characters came into the WH. I also think we can’t be judged by our worst specimens.

I lean pretty far left. But that doesn’t mean I fit the exact stereotypical mold, as I do agree “we” can come across all knowing, snobbish, condescending, etc. and it turns people off.

But I am against ICE 10000%. And none of this is politics. These are human values and reflects the moral composition of our character. What we as the US do affects the whole world, and our leadership is unprecedented in US modern history for being a universal joke, a bully, irresponsible, egotistical, and unqualified.

Congrats to anyone who was trying to rage bait. It worked. But that’s all I have to say.

This is my testimony

AS

AnnaSofia said:

Oh sure why not….

I don’t hate my country but I hate what my country is and has been doing since that dangerous, destructive, selfish, insecure knob, and his administration of cartoon characters came into the WH. I also think we can’t be judged by our worst specimens.

I lean pretty far left. But that doesn’t mean I fit the exact stereotypical mold, as I do agree “we” can come across all knowing, snobbish, condescending, etc. and it turns people off.

But I am against ICE 10000%. And none of this is politics. These are human values and reflects the moral composition of our character. What we as the US do affects the whole world, and our leadership is unprecedented in US modern history for being a universal joke, a bully, irresponsible, egotistical, and unqualified.

Congrats to anyone who was trying to rage bait. It worked. But that’s all I have to say.

This is my testimony

AS ICE are arresting illegal immigrants. Cut the BS and break it down. No country in the world could operate with open borders. An ICE agent literally would down his window and told protesters "We're trying to arrest a pedophile". The protesters didn't miss a beat and kept on screaming at him. That's absolute insanity

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Cut the BS and break it down. ICE are arresting ILLEGAL immigrants. No country on earth could exist with open borders. Western nations already take on huge amounts of immigrants and refugees. It's not all daffodils and rainbows. Bad people exist and take advantage of good people. It's like the TEAM AMERICA talk on pussies, dicks and arseholes.
Have you seen the video of the ICE agent explaining they're trying to arrest a gang member who's a pedophile? The protesters didn't miss a beat and kept on screaming. It's insanity
The left are trying to frame ICE as the gestapo. They simply don't understand WW2. They wouldn't exist if ICE were 1/10th of the gestapo. Framing ICE as the gestapo is actually extremely disappointing and makes me lose hope in humanity. Cause it's being dishonest and deceptive
You say the world sees the US as a bully but that's simply not true. I've travelled and most places except Europe, Australia and the US are fairly conservative. Africa, Middle East, South East Asia, Japan, Russia etc don't have immigration and you'd be shocked by the values and customs. The US isn't really discussed. Only Western nations care
You need to get out of the echo chamber. Don't align yourself with a side. Go deep into your thoughts and beliefs. Are you being truthful and logical!? Just look at some of the comments on here. It's as though these people have never heard push back on this subject. You'd be amazed at some of my beliefs that would be classified as "far left". Thank you for actually answering me without being rude. I apologise for my grammar and punctuation cause English isn't my first language

I’m sorry but I’m not going to get into this discussion because i like to keep my blood pressure at a healthy number. I will clarify that I didn’t say what the world thought of us - I said what we do affects the world, and then went on to say what I thought of my country. I don’t care that people are here illegally. How do we define illegal? My ancestors weren’t born here.

Warning my hard working, good neighbors that ICE is in the area knocking on doors and to stay in their homes, or come to mine. That’s terrifying and that’s real.

I appreciate how you ended your message, but it was surprising after “cut the BS” and get out of the echo chamber, bc that implies I’m naive or buy into propaganda and do not use critical thinking. you don’t know me or the depth of my knowledge or involvement. But I don’t get all that offended, so let’s just let it go because it’s not going to go anywhere. Besides, Reddit, Instagram, you tube are much better forums for these discussions.

AS

AnnaSofia said:

I’m sorry but I’m not going to get into this discussion because i like to keep my blood pressure at a healthy number. I will clarify that I didn’t say what the world thought of us - I said what we do affects the world, and then went on to say what I thought of my country. I don’t care that people are here illegally. How do we define illegal? My ancestors weren’t born here.

Warning my hard working, good neighbors that ICE is in the area knocking on doors and to stay in their homes, or come to mine. That’s terrifying and that’s real.

I appreciate how you ended your message, but it was surprising after “cut the BS” and get out of the echo chamber, bc that implies I’m naive or buy into propaganda and do not use critical thinking. you don’t know me or the depth of my knowledge or involvement. But I don’t get all that offended, so let’s just let it go because it’s not going to go anywhere. Besides, Reddit, Instagram, you tube are much better forums for these discussions.

AS

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Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion. I find reddit a waste of time due to the echo chamber effect. YouTube and Instagram aren't bad though
Although I will say that I bet your ancestors entered the country through legal avenues. Illegally entering a country means you've either outstayed your visa or crossed the border illegally. The problem is they're either not paying tax through cash in hand work or making money through criminal means. A lot of people enter illegally due to having criminal backgrounds. They literally can't enter legally. Can't you see the problem with that? Open borders means the government have no way in monitoring people within the country. Anyone could enter your country. Why would you need to warn your neighbours. What did they do wrong? I just find it insane that people break laws and expect to not suffer consequences. Then to make it worse, you have people following around ICE not knowing who they're arresting and screaming at ICE like they're doing something wrong? Every government has done this?? Why's it now a huge issue and everyone's treating it like it's WW2 again
Guess we just have different perspectives on the issue and that's fine. Btw I meant cut the BS as in cut through the BS and see the truth. I worded it incorrectly and it wasn't directed at your comment. I apologise if I offended you. Have a good day and again thanks for not treating me as a joke

Obama deported ~3 million people without incompetent trigger happy masked thugs on the street harassing and murdering people, without a 1.2 trillion dollar budget for ICE, without private prison contracts where people are abused and sexually assaulted, without separating kids from their parents, etc, etc...So people see what's happening now and they are rightly upset. Hence why people are 'treating it like it's WW2 again' lol.

No one is advocating criminality ( except the president who pardons scam artists and cop killing insurrectionists, launches scam coins. Ross Ulbricht pardon was cool tho lol) but again keep in mind you're on a drug forum, mr gay&centrist lol

Western society is literally ran by pedophiles who are protected by the state while SWAT teams ambush people in the street for overstaying their visa.

Your 'different perspectives on the issue' are that you are morally bankrupt. People rightly mocked you because you're entire initial question is framed as inaccurate accusation, as if anyone wants to engage with that. This is a drug forum and you dont even live in the USA, so seriously just go be gay and centrist on instagram maybe?

bokonon said:

Obama deported ~3 million people without incompetent trigger happy masked thugs on the street harassing and murdering people, without a 1.2 trillion dollar budget for ICE, without private prison contracts where people are abused and sexually assaulted, without separating kids from their parents, etc, etc...So people see what's happening now and they are rightly upset. Hence why people are 'treating it like it's WW2 again' lol.

No one is advocating criminality ( except the president who pardons scam artists and cop killing insurrectionists, launches scam coins. Ross Ulbricht pardon was cool tho lol) but again keep in mind you're on a drug forum, mr gay&centrist lol

Western society is literally ran by pedophiles who are protected by the state while SWAT teams ambush people in the street for overstaying their visa.

Your 'different perspectives on the issue' are that you are morally bankrupt. People rightly mocked you because your entire initial question is framed as inaccurate accusation, as if anyone wants to engage with that. This is a drug forum and you dont even live in the USA, so seriously just go be gay and centrist on instagram maybe?

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Lots of assumptions and incorrect statements.
You think Obama never separated families? Doesn't the responsibility fall on the family member who entered illegally?
Your comment is the perfect example of why I pulled away from the left. You're a bunch of angry assholes that make up shit cause you don't like a politician. It's insane that you're honestly comparing it to WW2?? You've lost touch with reality. You've become what you hate. You're acting like the far right. Both sides are the exact same. A bunch of fools who can't think critically. They attack people on the streets over politics. An ICE protester literally called an agent the N word recently. The video is everywhere
Please don't make fun of my sexuality. You can attack my statements all day long but you're crossing a line with that one. It's interesting that I debate a lot of people and it's the far left and right. Who start attacking my sexuality once they get angry. You have so many things in common

Lol no one is attacking your sexuality i just find it funny you need to add that as an identifier...
"As a gay centrist man"...like who fucking cares lol... and I didnt make anything up.

youre a rude jackass troll on a drug forum expecting some civil discussion on a sensitive topic. This is the convo you wanted because you think you've got everyone else figure out and you just an innocent gay centrist man asking questions....no ones angry, you're just an idiot.

Go back to begging for samples lol

Cause gay people are generally left leaning. Felt I needed to make it clear that I'm gay and centrist. Basically saying you don't have to align with something cause you're "left" or "right".
I honestly feel sorry for you. You sound like someone that bullies people who disagree. The other guy was polite and didn't lose his mind. You've honestly lost touch with logic and walk around with such wound up anger. Can't you see both sides are fucked? They're basically the exact same. You need to take a step back.
You keep saying I'm a troll and WTF am I doing discussing ICE on this forum. Yet it's the political forum and these are my beliefs on the subject. Just cause I'm not American, doesn't mean I can't have a viewpoint on ICE?
Dude I didn't kill a family member of yours and I'm not Donald Trump. I just find it interesting debating people that have a different opinion on certain subjects. It's sounds like you're a bit of bully and can't contain your rage. Seriously go back and read all the shit you've sent me. It's pure bully tactics. It honestly reminds me of those far right jerks over at Stormfront, actually it's the exact same. They made fun of my sexuality and then said "how dare you come into our forum". That's you dude, the exact same shit

JFC I think its safe to say the person who needs to take a step back is the person that hangs out on neonazi websites like Stormfront

bokonon said:

JFC I think its safe to say the person who needs to take a step back is the person that hangs out on neonazi websites like Stormfront

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How else are you suppose to make a change? Block cars? Scream at people on the streets? Cause that's definitely not working. This whole situation will NEVER work until both sides meet in the middle. Honest discussions about each topic. That's why I venture into far right and left forums
The reason communism and fascism both start slaughtering people once in power is cause they both have the exact same ideologies. Looking at things with a logical non bias mind is the only way. Hopefully someone reads this and it plants a seed
Breaking down the ICE situation isn't hard. The bottom line is open borders don't work. No other countries have a backlash to immigration rules. It's as though the west view things through an emotional lens and don't think about the underlying factors. An open border would mean housing couldn't keep up, taxes wouldn't be paid, crime would explode, welfare would break down etc . The country would buckle under the weight of an explosion in population. The only solution is having ICE. It's as simple as that. I'm definitely not a conservative supporter but they have this issue right. Hollywood is a whole other can of worms but you have idiots like Billie Ellish making comments about stolen land. Whilst the crowd claps like seals. She's a home schooled millionaire that's never done it tough. You shouldn't be listening to these people
Apologises for grammar and punctuation. English is my second language