Alex (Formerly Troy-Pharma.com)

McFriendly said:
Don't worry about sounding like a Debbie Downer.  You are only telling the truth.  There is a real problem here.   I think the bottom line is that this supplier is unable now to supply what people want.   His intentions may be good, but the fact is that he cannot consistently deliver right now.   I suspect that there is a fundamental defect in his supply chain.  

Again, I think he might mean well.    If he could get you the real thing, he would send it to you.   But, obviously, it is a total  waste of time to order something that he cannot provide.
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Well, I think it's important to keep things in perspective. This is an issue across vendors, but the majority of meds being shipped /received are legit.

 
Mr. Crowley said:
Well, I think it's important to keep things in perspective. This is an issue across vendors, but the majority of meds being shipped /received are legit.
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Well, I really do appreciate all that you've been doing on this issue, but how can anyone be in a position to speak for the majority of meds being sent these days?   The fact that it is an issue across venders suggests to me that they are all confronting problems getting legit meds that they weren't confronting before.  There is obviously something wrong with the supply chain that isn't peculiar to just one vender.   I hope they can fix it.   But, we'll just have to wait to see.   

 
McFriendly said:
Well, I really do appreciate all that you've been doing on this issue, but how can anyone be in a position to speak for the majority of meds being sent these days? The fact that it is an issue across venders suggests to me that they are all confronting problems getting legit meds that they weren't confronting before. There is obviously something wrong with the supply chain that isn't peculiar to just one vender. I hope they can fix it. But, we'll just have to wait to see.
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My assertion that the majority of meds being sent are legit is based on general feedback from this board and another popular board, discussions with senior members of both boards, my own personal experience as well as conversations with vendors and those close to vendors. Now, we are in complete agreement that there is clearly an issue on the supply side and we can debate the root causes, potential solutions, and ways to mitigate risk, but many of us rely on these medications and don't have the luxury to sit out a few rounds until things clear up.

Now, if there were very few legit meds reaching customers, I'd probably advocate completely avoiding these vendors. Why throw good money after bad, right? But my assessment is that we are not there yet. Therefore, if you depend on these medications to maintain your quality of life, these guys are still your best option, IMHO.

 
Let me back up Mr. Crowley ' assertion. I just took the time to read the thread back to Jan. 15. While 4 members reported weak/bunk meds. 15 members, plus 3 VIPS orders, all reporting positive outcomes.

I wouldn't hesitate to order from this vendor, based on what I just researched.

Remember that there are many people that don't post positive outcomes as well. The positive posts seem to get overlooked when one problem generates 100 posts.

 
2earls said:
Let me back up Mr. Crowley ' assertion. I just took the time to read the thread back to Jan. 15. While 4 members reported weak/bunk meds. 15 members, plus 3 VIPS orders, all reporting positive outcomes.

I wouldn't hesitate to order from this vendor, based on what I just researched.

Remember that there are many people that don't post positive outcomes as well. The positive posts seem to get overlooked when one problem generates 100 posts.
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Agree 100%. I have received a couple orders with quality A++

Got the white perx 932s and the rocks. A lot of attention to a few bad 

deliveries but I will be ordering again soon without any concern. Just

realize how many happy campers got their goodies and slipped off into

lala land of happily ever after. Oh, forgot to post about that. Haha

But spend my pizza cash on something that don't work and gonna tell

everyone. Human nature IMHO

 
Mr. Crowley said:
My assertion that the majority of meds being sent are legit is based on general feedback from this board and another popular board, discussions with senior members of both boards, my own personal experience as well as conversations with vendors and those close to vendors. Now, we are in complete agreement that there is clearly an issue on the supply side and we can debate the root causes, potential solutions, and ways to mitigate risk, but many of us rely on these medications and don't have the luxury to sit out a few rounds until things clear up.

Now, if there were very few legit meds reaching customers, I'd probably advocate completely avoiding these vendors. Why throw good money after bad, right? But my assessment is that we are not there yet. Therefore, if you depend on these medications to maintain your quality of life, these guys are still your best option, IMHO.
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Maybe that's the difference - yes, I do have the luxury to sit out a few rounds.   I know that I got something other than what I ordered.   I don't know yet what it is that I got, but I have followed your advice and ordered the very test package that you suggested we buy.   When I receive that in a few days, maybe I'll learn more about what it is that I actually received.   As I have said before, it is still possible that what I received is just a very, very, very weak version of what I ordered or that some of what I received contains nothing of what I ordered and some of it is just very, very, very weak.   What I can say without further tests is that my body did not respond to the meds as it has always responded to such meds in the past.  

My understanding is that Alex recognizes the quality problem that many of us have experienced first hand.  My understanding is that Alex is taking steps to solve what he perceives and acknowledges to be a real (and not an imaginary) problem.    The fact that so many venders are having the same problem suggests that it will not be a simple problem to solve.    Like you, I hope he's successful in the end, but I have no reason to believe that he can solve a problem like that before shipping time tomorrow.   He needs some time.   I'll be patient. 

 
dcboots said:
Agree 100%. I have received a couple orders with quality A++

Got the white perx 932s and the rocks. A lot of attention to a few bad

deliveries but I will be ordering again soon without any concern. Just

realize how many happy campers got their goodies and slipped off into

lala land of happily ever after. Oh, forgot to post about that. Haha

But spend my pizza cash on something that don't work and gonna tell

everyone. Human nature IMHO
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That is very true. I hope people reading these threads start to relize they need to be posting all experiences even the good ones. Especially the good ones cause bad ones tend to take up a lot of pages taking about the same bad thing. Which is good because we keep learning new things about it. But we still need to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly.
 
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Well I haven't had a qual issue with A but I think many of you know the saga a few weeks back with regard to pymt being stolen somehow (not my fault nor Alex's but it happened...) anyway placed order early today and waiting for TN. Was told I would have it in an hour about 3 hours ago...nothing since. I'm sure it's fine and on way, but those numbers always make me a bit more comfortable...based on mikeyboys post now I'm a bit worried about quality too...hopefully won't be an issue...anyone still waiting on TN? He said he had the first 20 and waiting on rest...guess I wasn't one of the lucky first 20...but hoping it's going to be smooth as both A and I deserve that after the last time!!!

 
buffalonickel said:
Can anyone comment on the quality of the apotex F3nt patches he has right now.  I was going to order some but from what I've been reading online they suck and might not even be worth it.  I'd like to know if wearing the patch as instructed provided comparable relief to other brands patches?  Is it possible to cut off pieces and use them buccally like you can with the Duragesic matrix style patch?

I'm going to post this in the quality forum as well.

Thanks in advance for any replies /default_smile.png
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They suck in general. One person's is not going to be better than another bc they all suck. Just like you read. They all suck same manufacturer. Same patch. Nobodys is going to be different.

 
I personally am placing an order for norcs tomorrow with alex based on the fact that every order ive received from him has been good. I didn't take the norcs I testdd. Ive been ordering percs lately anf because my urine test was so wacky and inconclusive im choosing to trust that alex did what he said and then see the difference for myself. I also know a member that I just spoke to today that can tell immediately if something is off with these and he said the orders he received from alex were A+++ so I guess my point is that im choosing to order. Im choosing the risk. As with me this choice belongs to you. Noone can tell you what to do and what not to do but I will advise from my own experience. I would take 1...give it some time. If you notice something off or even if it seems weak. Dont take 5 more. Use common sense..and please be careful. I saw someone post earlier that LE kinda lets this stuff go but if someone were to die, theyd be all over it. This is so true and even though this bunk med sit is serious and im so glad people are taking action I feel its a big hiccup and there are still alot of good recources here for those of us who truly depend on them..lets not fuck it up by being careless.

 
Clancrasher said:
That is very true. I hope people reading these threads start to relize they need to be posting all experiences even the good ones. Especially the good ones cause bad ones tend to take up a lot of pages taking about the same bad thing. Which is good because we keep learning new things about it. But we still need to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly.
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Agree! There have been so many quality issues that the general tone of each vendor is somewhat negative. I suggested this before but will again... Start a supplemental thread: Successful orders.

Name of vendor

Date ordered

Date rec'd

Product

Quality

Continue posting good and bad experiences in each vendor thread.

Maybe this is a stupid idea as members won't post about one order in two threads... but we really do need all successful orders clearly posted without lots of discussion between subjects. JMO

 
Im glad to see this being discussed. I have also noticed a major issue in quality of the vitamins.

 
I'm waiting on my test kit today because something is off with the ate fiddies I received this am. To be cont'd.....

 
Ordered yesterday, received today. Pink tr@ms. Quality good. Anyone know if they are XR?

 
Ordered after cut of Friday. Great communication. 932

Tracking number right on time.

Received this a.m.

Looks- all seem same size, not shinyish?

I will report quality later. I didn't know they would be so early(good thing) so I had already taken a 5/325 I had left from script.

I will be taking late afternoon and report back then.

 
chrisdl805 said:
Ordered 1/25

Tn sent 1/26

Received 1/27

Police dogs A+++
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Good to hear. I've seen several postive reviews for the police dogs (SS, these are 30mg rox with an impring of K-9). It wasn't long agot that ALL the K9s were bunk, literally all of them. It got so bad that some vendors (including Alex) just stopped carrying them. But you are at least the fourth or fifth person that has been happy with them and I haven't seen any negative reviews of them in a long time. That's great! I was avoiding them at all cost, but not anywmore. :)

 
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