Best Thienodiazepine?

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Etizolam is by far the most famous, however I am still eager to hear the opinions of vetted researchers who have dedicated their time, thoughts, perhaps even personal relationships to expanding their library researching alternatives and latest additions to this family the last 15 years.
 
not at all- there are plenty of old synths/stock still available in small amounts by smaller vendors, but CN bulk only offers a few right now. it is sort of a transitional period for benzo RCs with this new/novel substitution found in ethylbromazolam

there hasnt been any thienos produced in years, thats what i meant by "good luck finding any alternatives anymore, unfortunately". small pricy amounts of flubrotiz/fluclotiz (like $40/15mg) , very expensive etiz and deschloroetiz powder. thats about it
 
I wonder why or if it still is used as a prescription medication in india or other countries. It's kind of wild that it has completely disappeared except for the few with a stock pile which is hard to find.
But yes etizolam is probably my favorite and I miss the days when I had enough of it to not worry about a damn thing lol
Just search thienodiazapine on Wikipedia or psychonaut wiki and I'm sure if others exists they will be labeled but if they were any good we'd probably know about it by now lol
 
it is not that crazy- china just banned production and india cracked down/counterfeits surged. etizolam and brotizolam are still used in several countries, sometimes widely.

there were more than a couple worthy that were widely available- I'm not sure what you mean by "we'd probably know by now" but it sounds like they passed you by entirely. they were often overlooked as 1. regular etizolam was still legal in china for a long long time, 2. the RC benzo scene was at its peak with flubromazolam, clonazolam, chinese alprazolam and then flualprazolam.

fluclotizolam (is to etizolam what flualprazolam is to alprazolam) got some traction, flubrotizolam saw massive production but was more of a unique/different thieno buzz than etizolam or fluclotizolam with its different structure.

there is not much money in producing awesome novelties like this compared to producing as much of the current, most alprazolam-like chemical known by CN labs.
 
Well said triazophile. It's probably due to the fact that I am not a big benzo user that things passed me by as well as several years here and there where I was out of the scene.
If they are indeed still used widely maybe someone needs to find a country that will sell them to other countries without an Rx but idk, honestly don't care much bc I don't take them for recreation.
Never tried fluclotizolam which sounds nice but I doubt I'll ever get to.
 
I wish CN would produce the 6-pyridine triazoles like pyrazolam, pyclazolam, and pynazolam. I quite enjoyed researching pyrazolam.
 
i believe they tried but failed. i loved pyrazolam, have always wanted to try EU's bromazepam or the other two pyridine-ring triazoles you mentioned


but the bzd .biz is 99%+ whatever most closely approximates alprazolam, unfortunately.
 
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