codean vs dhc

[newdaze]

 Ive read extensively and the variety of information really leaves no surety and nothing concrete. equivalency of codeane to dhc, these meds to other pain meds, safe dosing and peak dosing.

From MY experience dhc is only slightly stronger then cod but lasts longer, with hardly any histamine problems. i wouldn't say it is very euphoric, more sedating... but don't get the horrible hairs on fire itch to it like cod. I've read that dhc effectively stops at 300 mg but I've read elsewhere there is no cap. 

also that codeine caps at 300 or so but then again read no cap, if you can handle the histamine.

is there methods to break down dhc continus to make it more effective? is it dangerous above 300 mg?is the histamine anything to worry about?  how would you guys compare to say hydro or morph?

and in all my mentioning i am speaking of both with no apap. 

ive read that dhc is more effective for higher doses but its all speculation and personal experience. it may be safe but what damage is it doing?

any input anybody could give me is appreciated.

 

[Conceited]

I've read something before saying 5mg deehsee is equal to 30mg codean phosph8te.  Don't think that is right. 300mg of each instant release will give a similar high, its just that you can keep on poping deehsee. Were as codean phosph8te stops metabolizing in to morpheen after 400mg in 24hrs. 

Never had a histamine problem with high dose of deehsee.  But the other gives a horrible histamine release with no extra high, not a nice itch like you get with any other op8.

  Chewing deehsee continus with front teeth works to make you high quiker. Don't know of any other way like a CWE or something similar to brake down the slow release mechanism.  Read about people trying bicarb or baking soda, but seems like a lot of work when chewing works ime. Try mixing the IR and ER to get a nice long high for most of the day, all day if you have enough of each.

 

[newdaze]

I've been really cautious with use i did 260 mg dee ache and didn't really do a whole lot for me . i think I've done equal cod before with an antihistamine. and i would have a hard time saying 5mg dee equal to 30 . maybe as far as analgesia purposes... this is good info. i didn't think it was ok to take that much of either 

 

[Conceited]

I've been really cautious with use i did 260 mg dee ache and didn't really do a whole lot for me . i think I've done equal cod before with an antihistamine. and i would have a hard time saying 5mg dee equal to 30 . maybe as far as analgesia purposes... this is good info. i didn't think it was ok to take that much of either 

Not sure what you mean by ok to take that much? If you mean will you od, maybe someone who has never taken a op8 before they might. If you mean safe for your organs I don't know. I've taken over 400mg deehsee multiple times and been gauching when my op8 tolerance was low enough to make spending money on it worthwhile. 

 

[Jellopanda]

Cod peak plasma concentration is 2-3 hours. The it is metabolised to other ops most inportmant m@rphine . That why there is the histamine reaction . It is important to remember that codeine is weakly analgesic, and most of the pain relief is from conversion in the liver by CYP450 2D6 isoenzyme to morphine. Therefore, poor response to codeine may reflect an individual with poor 2D6 status. 

 For sure dose > 240-260 mg do not improve pain or euphoric reactions. Daily dose more that 300 mg for opoioid naive is not very safe but if you use oxy or hydro ops then 280-300 mg cod po is about equivalet to 30 mg oxy per os.

So you're saying that cody has a sort of ceiling where after you've taken a certain amount no longer helps pain or gives you euphoria (doesn't seem to give me much of a sensation of euphoria anymore anyway). is that ceiling per day or per dose? I've frequently gone over the recommended dose from my doctor, but i guess this is another instance where i should've educated myself a bit more. Trying do so now however. Joining this forum was an eyeopener.

 

[Smoka90]

@Jellopanda I think the exact ceiling dose seems to vary depending on where you get your information, but I've always had 400mg in my mind as the ceiling. Some people say there is no ceiling, but I think the science behind it is that, since it's a pro-drug, it's...really complicated and stupid. Hehe, that's my scientific brain there. I steer clear of pro-drugs generally; I can't trust my body to do the most basic things properly, let alone convert an inert chemical into something psychoactive.

When you ask is the ceiling per day or per dose, I'm fairly certain it's per dose. Now, this is just going on my memory, but I'm sure I read somewhere that you have to leave at least four hours before next dosing, or it will be useless. The thing is...if you take 100mg at 18:00, then 150mg at 19:00, the latter dose will do nothing. It doesn't matter if it's below the ceiling. I think that's the case anyway...basically, redosing is a bit futile with it.

Honestly, you can see why I stick to DeeHCee. There's definitely no ceiling with that one. It has a nice motivational boost to it as well. The prolonged release tablets can be broken down by chewing them, but don't use your back teeth. I tried that once; I had really bitter pieces of tablet in my mouth for ages. Use the front teeth.

 

[ElectroNymph]

@Jellopanda I think the exact ceiling dose seems to vary depending on where you get your information, but I've always had 400mg in my mind as the ceiling. Some people say there is no ceiling, but I think the science behind it is that, since it's a pro-drug, it's...really complicated and stupid. Hehe, that's my scientific brain there. I steer clear of pro-drugs generally; I can't trust my body to do the most basic things properly, let alone convert an inert chemical into something psychoactive.

When you ask is the ceiling per day or per dose, I'm fairly certain it's per dose. Now, this is just going on my memory, but I'm sure I read somewhere that you have to leave at least four hours before next dosing, or it will be useless. The thing is...if you take 100mg at 18:00, then 150mg at 19:00, the latter dose will do nothing. It doesn't matter if it's below the ceiling. I think that's the case anyway...basically, redosing is a bit futile with it.

Honestly, you can see why I stick to DeeHCee. There's definitely no ceiling with that one. It has a nice motivational boost to it as well. The prolonged release tablets can be broken down by chewing them, but don't use your back teeth. I tried that once; I had really bitter pieces of tablet in my mouth for ages. Use the front teeth.

I echo this. Prefer the general effects of DHCE too. I had two packets of 60mg codeine a few weeks ago and it was hopeless comparatively.

Then again, some people prefer codeinnne. Different metabolisms, and different strokes for different folks. 

I said "different" too much. ?

And clichés are cr@p.

 

[Jellopanda]

@Jellopanda I think the exact ceiling dose seems to vary depending on where you get your information, but I've always had 400mg in my mind as the ceiling. Some people say there is no ceiling, but I think the science behind it is that, since it's a pro-drug, it's...really complicated and stupid. Hehe, that's my scientific brain there. I steer clear of pro-drugs generally; I can't trust my body to do the most basic things properly, let alone convert an inert chemical into something psychoactive.

When you ask is the ceiling per day or per dose, I'm fairly certain it's per dose. Now, this is just going on my memory, but I'm sure I read somewhere that you have to leave at least four hours before next dosing, or it will be useless. The thing is...if you take 100mg at 18:00, then 150mg at 19:00, the latter dose will do nothing. It doesn't matter if it's below the ceiling. I think that's the case anyway...basically, redosing is a bit futile with it.

Honestly, you can see why I stick to DeeHCee. There's definitely no ceiling with that one. It has a nice motivational boost to it as well. The prolonged release tablets can be broken down by chewing them, but don't use your back teeth. I tried that once; I had really bitter pieces of tablet in my mouth for ages. Use the front teeth.

Things have improved for me somewhat since getting para-free cody,  but there are still a couple of problems. One being that cody only dulls the pain somewhat and the other that DeeHcee continuous lasts for 12 hours. That would be a huge help for me as i have sleeping problems, often severe and i'm on z0p1 for that, and since cody only lasts for 6 hours i have to set my alarm clock in the middle of the night to redose which means i propably won't be able to sleep more that night. Well, those are the night's i'm lucky enough to sleep for more than 3-4 hours anyway, or at all for that matter. D33AgeSea continuous lasts for 12 hours roughly so that would help.

On another topic. I saw you mentioned Kava in another thread Which i hadn't heard of before of before yesterday. and from what i read, both here and on the wiki, it seems to reduce anxiety, help with depression and feel generally great while being all natural. Seems like a godsend for people like me. The legality of the drug seems to vary a lot from country to country. Prescription-free in some, only available on prescription in some countries and outright illegal in other. Hardly surprising as the powerful pharmaceutical lobby are generally hostile to any drug not developed and copyrighted by them. Would love to know more. i'll read the threads here on the forum to start with

 

[Smoka90]

Things have improved for me somewhat since getting para-free cody,  but there are still a couple of problems. One being that cody only dulls the pain somewhat and the other that DeeHcee continuous lasts for 12 hours. That would be a huge help for me as i have sleeping problems, often severe and i'm on z0p1 for that, and since cody only lasts for 6 hours i have to set my alarm clock in the middle of the night to redose which means i propably won't be able to sleep more that night. Well, those are the night's i'm lucky enough to sleep for more than 3-4 hours anyway, or at all for that matter. D33AgeSea continuous lasts for 12 hours roughly so that would help.

On another topic. I saw you mentioned Kava in another thread Which i hadn't heard of before of before yesterday. and from what i read, both here and on the wiki, it seems to reduce anxiety, help with depression and feel generally great while being all natural. Seems like a godsend for people like me. The legality of the drug seems to vary a lot from country to country. Prescription-free in some, only available on prescription in some countries and outright illegal in other. Hardly surprising as the powerful pharmaceutical lobby are generally hostile to any drug not developed and copyrighted by them. Would love to know more. i'll read the threads here on the forum to start with

Hmm... it does make you wonder why they haven't manufactured prolonged release codeen... weird. I mean, if you have to set your alarm in the middle of the night to redose, that's horrible. =( Have you said that to your doctor? If you phrase it that you need a prolonged release formula to just keep you asleep, surely the doctor should understand. Sleep is such a basic thing...doctors know that!

And yeah, I'm a huge fan of kava.  =) I discounted it for so long, but it is so, so beneficial. It's a lifesaver when I can't have benzohs. Some varieties (often ones from Vanuatu) can really help you sleep. I took quite a lot today because I felt very anxious, then had to have a nap when I get home, and I never really do naps...

With legality, it's such a grey area.... where I am, it's illegal to import it for human consumption, so vendors just avoid preparation instructions etc. Please don't take this as legal advice, but I think generally, it's not what the authorities are after... if you get a parcel labelled 'south pacific tea' with a pound or two of ground plant root...it's just so different from importing...more 'conventional' things, for example...

It's a shame you weren't asking this a few months ago...there's a Europe based vendor called Global Kava Exports, but they've been slowing down lately... I think they're more or less out of stock of everything now. =( But they were very expensive... I think value (and sometimes quality) can be better if ordering from the US. If you want any more advice on preparation, which varieties to buy, which shops to use etc., just drop me a PM or something. I'd be happy to help. =)

 

[Phrenicz]

I am quite odd (in many ways ; )).. But it seems I'm unusual in regards to codeine vs DHC?

I actually prefer the codeine high over the DHC high? Weird I know, as almost everyone I've had this discussion with is the exact opposite.. But for me at least, I take much greater pleasure from Codeine.... 

For legitimate pain, I would go with DHC, as I do find it to have much better analgesic properties... But if I'm after that warm, familiar opiated feeling that comes with both, I'd pick codeine over DHC all day long?.. 

And in my opinion, the conversion/comparison data between the 2, is much less than the somewhat outrageous and varying reports that DHC is 3 or 4 times stronger gram for gram?! ... I'd even go as far to say, the ratio is somewhere closer to 1:1? The only difference being is I'm much more comfortable taking higher amounts of DHC due to the ceiling effect and the fact if I take any more than 300mg of codeine, I could (un)happily scratch my face off! ; )

 

[Smoka90]

@Phrenicz I've seen a fair few people saying the same as you, that code!ne just gives better euphoria. I think code!ne is just massively dependent on individual metabolism/biochemistry, though. You know, some people lack an enzyme that means they can't process code!ne at all... that would be pretty crappy.

Don't forget that code!ne is converted into morph!ne by your body, though. Yum!

When I first started on opi@tes, I did prefer code!ne, but now I think that tolerance has rendered it a little useless... =(

And yeah, with that strength ratio, it does seem a bit fishy. I mean, DHC might be twice as potent, but people forget the bioavailability. Code!ne's is a massive 90%-ish, but DHC's is a pathetic 20%. It pains me to think that I basically poo out 80% of it!

And that can lead people to take it in other ways. And to those other ways, I say: BTFO.