@DoomKitty this is so true........"Seen plen/nont ty of opi veterans OD off the same batch of pills theyd been taking for a minute. Its just one of those "correctly dosed" fakes had a hot spot. Also be aware that there are tons of fakes being pressed now with any number of new RC opioids that WILL NOT show up on a fent strip but can be just as deadly. MANY overdoses in the last year or so because of them, and we will be seeing more and more of them as more people switch from fent to the RCs which are way easier to acquire. Stay safe everyone. "
Just to add to what @DoomKitty said its doesn't go beyond the realm of imposbile that vendors are mixing tainted pills with non tainted one. In whch case all the arguments for testing/not testing kind of get thrown out the window. the test strips I got from Dance Safe reiterate that to really be sale you have test everyhting that you will be taken. For those of us who do pills it just isn't feasible to send every pill we plan on taking to Dance Data Labs to have them tested via their GS/MS process insce they require you to send it the whole pill amd the gc/ms test process destroys the pill.
The overall situation is acutually a lot worse than most folks make it out to be. I jus t witnessed a mod in another forum bascially delete all references to a post which suggested that a user had found fent in a tramadol pill. This is a forum whose beinmembers contstantly put DBG down for being biased.and whose members seem to consist primarily of folks deeply into of alll things tramdol. rpor
I just went on a testing binge of sorts and started testing stuff like crazy. Some of the items were known to be fent free (sort of) but I came across a conundrum when I went to testa pill which I had already taken out a pill to send to DDL to have it tesed. The Dance Safe FTS reported posistive but th GC/MS test I had sent to DDL had reported ngative/
I restedsed a few other pils out of the same strip--they all reported back positive. I wrote to DDDL and ask them what they made of my results What was most important about their response that the phenomenom f faslse positives and fase negatives than mos folks are letting on to. So much s that for those that are interested they have added tested using a FTS as test category they report on.
Whille I didn' get a chance to go through all 100 plus pages of result I was a bit surprised at how FTSmuch strips could report wrong. I have to admit I have a lot more about all this but I was suprised thatundr whatever ciccrcumstances an FTS could entirely miss a presence of a bucn of straight foward fentanyl.
When it comes to disucssing the more 'unpleasant topics' that come with the terrritory. (the elepahant in the room which noboody wants to talk about.I was just appaled that a mod at this very forum which prides itself on being independant would go so far as to wipe out a thread which even suggested the possile existene of tramadol tainted with fent.
In defense of the many Mexican vendrors who seem to be getting the brunt of attacks about their products being laced with fent. I think the following pretty obvious mythis need to be debunked.
1. One of the biggest mythis out there is that fent only comes from Mexican and Chinese vendors. Which if you think about it is really really stupid.. Fent I am sure is as readily available in India as it is in Mexico or China. I think this is just common sense. The reason this seems to be a possible area of concern for me is the number of complaints I am seeeing in the 'tram forum' about how weak Mexican tram is compared to the tram they were all used to gettting from India. I used to go through Tram wd's on a pretty regular basis and the horror stories being described sound much more horrible than ordinary tram withdrawals. Could it very well be the case that the tram these tram freaks were so into were actually laced tram so that siwching to non laced tram seeemed quite innfectual? I also find it odd that no one it seems has encountered tained tapentadol.
2. While a number of reports in this forum refer to odd effectss felt after taking allegedly fent laced tramI I wonder how many of the reports were reports based on peronal effect after takig the alllegedly laced product and then followed gy a FTS test strip. While the GC/MS tests conducted by Drugs Data.org are pretty much considered to be THE gold standard when it comes to fentanoloyds this isn't necessariily the case with te rapid Fentanyl test strips. As simple as the process seems to be there is a lot that can go wrong so that you can get false Postiive AND false Negatives. While testing with FTS is probably better than not tessting at all there are some serious limitations.
3. I think its to the credit of the many Mexican vendors here that they have taken measures to corret the problem rather than just sweeping the problem under the rug. I think it speaks mounds about this forum that reports of laced OP,bz and other products are being allowed to be posted. They could just as well give us users the one finger salute or lean on the powers to be here to have criticial posts deleted and the users making them banned/shunned.2. Thiis is kind of a very serious issue but while it might be or most certainly better than not testing at all.
I will close my babbbling with this poll or question
So just for fun. Lets say you have a strip of 10 all with your favorite DOC. You have sent one of the pillls from the strip to have them do their GC/MS test on it. You paid the $150 and waited the ten days or so and they said the pillls only contain your DOC. Bein the caustious sort you decicide to fent test a portion of another pills or an entire another pills from the same stip--the strip reports back positive. What do you do? Tost the strip.? Take a few pills from it. What?????
