@patsummers It's not obscure research, but it is on dying patients. Palliative care is not supposed to be used on the long term for chronic conditions, if you ever get on those dosages of bup I don't know how you could come back and also the more you go up with bup the higher the dose of the rescue med. F3nt and bup are on another level when it comes to potency compared to pretty much anything that comes in pill form. Also the patches are meant to be used as your longterm medication. If you need something for breakthrough pain, there's act1q and f3ntora and such, but getting into patches on your own is considerably more dangerous than pills and if you started your current treatment under medical advice, even if you went on to take more, I strongly advice talking about it with your doctor, even if you're getting the patches from another source.