Flormidal 15 mg. (Midazolam)

I found the midz to be very effective but also found then to be ridiculously habit forming especially with the 15mg content of them.Perfect for when you need to sleep in an emergency situation but only use them when they are NEEDED not on a nightly basis!

Of course like all bnz what works for one person has little or no effect on another,they have little in the way of recreational value and I prefer the z drugs over them..

Peace 

Bliss.....

 
@Smoka90:

See, that's where you are deadly wrong. The 3-4G forces won't let you projectile vomit, everything what's in you, stays in you Law of physics)...until the end of the ride, haha.

@blissopifree 2: I've found the tablet form very disappointing, and subpar to most of the Z drugs, and high-end benzos, like; 2mg brand Xanax, or 4-6mg of brand Rivotril, and  5-7.5mg S3rbin Ativan. I'm not a big fan of the Nitro, but I guess that many people can't go wrong, so might be worth a try.

 
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@Jackie Chiles ...still not going anywhere near them, haha! Sometimes I spin around on my chair and get dizzy for the fun of it (yeah, I still do that), so that's, er...my version of extreme I guess.

I think with Nitro, it might just not work for you. I've heard lots of people rave about oral midz, but obviously for us it didn't do much... and I guess there's ones that work for you really well, that I get nothing from...might be worth trying the nitro again though. It just dwarfs all other bennies I've tried, which is quite a few.

 
@Smoka90

Okay, Junior, you convinced me :)

Truth to be told, last time I ordered, it was a small sample, one of the neighbor's website, and I was very disappointed. But I haven't ordered any from my favorite S3rbian Battlemaster, ha!. 

I've worked my fair share in the psych level, all the way up on the last floor, and I was on med dispensing duty (/YAAAWN), and never once have I dispensed Nitrazepam. 

Generic Valium an Ativan are quite often given out, and of course the doctor or the NPR prescribes everyone Ambien, I guess that's more like to do a favor for the orderlies!  It's vey-very rare, that someone ends up the fun-room (the padded room), if a patient has a violent psychotic episode, the number one treatment is being nice and talkative, genuinely make the patient comfortable, The biggest challenges are the the PTSD guys, because they usually tear everything apart and requires to 4-5 often 6 people to hold them, while Halidol is administered, with a little bit of Serequel in the cocktail. If the patient is absolutely resistant, there is nothing else left, but vecuronium. Not fun, but that's the last resort.

I hav no idea how I got this off-track, so yeah, I'll try Nitrazepam, maybe different Vendor, different outcome.

 
Gosh, some of those experiences in the wards sound very intesne, as do some of the treatments...it is odd that it isn't often prescribed, though. I don't know why. It can't be because people like it too much, can it..? I don't know...

The brands of Nitr@z I've tried are Nipam, generic teva and Nitrosun (From SunPharma, Indian, I think). They all contained nitr@z, no doubt, but Nipam and Teva both seemed to be smoother and nicer than Nitrosun. But maybe that's all in my head, a bit of a bias against Indian meds maybe. Eep. Naughty me.

I tried lor@z again today, though, and...sadly, it's still behind Et!zolam overall, but it is pleasant. But to me, there's two ways a bennie can affect you: give you warmth or make you numb. Nitr@z gives me warmth, makes me happy and so kind to people, but lor@z seems to be more towards the numb side, and I feel indifferent to people...which I don't enjoy as much. But since I every so often use a short half life one to stop bennies building up in my system, lor@z will still be handy in the future. Thanks for giving me the nudge to try it again. =)

 
@Smoka90

I think it's just an overkill these psych "wards" we usually talking about generally peaceful people, If we do give out a benzos to a patient, it'll be most likely Ativan, 1mg. Usually two is an overkill, and as I said, the first couple days everybody gets Ambien, which is enough for  the rest of the night. Ativan, maybe 4-5 days, then off.

Valium is more like a taper drug, because of the extremely long half life, and mild strength. 

I don't see why anybody would need Nitrazep@m on a psychiatric ward (not asylum...), mainly depressed, bipolar, substance abusers, dependents end up there, not serial ax killers :)

 
@Jackie Chiles Ah, sorry mate, think I got muddled up there. Hope I don't seem ignorant about that sort of thing. I've got a lot of sensitivity for that sort of medical ward. I was nearly kept in a hospital about 4 years ago, but managed to 'prove' that I was okay and could keep myself safe.

By the way, I tried Lor@z again yesterday, and while I initially found it nice while I typed my last post, I ended up very ill towards the end of the night. Depression, lethargy and a complete loss of appetite. It wasn't nice, and I've had it with some benzos, so in future I may be more careful...

Also, bit off topic, but could I ask, with Lamictal, did you get headaches? It's just, I've noticed recently I've been getting very bad headaches 3 or 4 times a week, and it affects my whole body too, with lethargy and massive aches. I noticed it said headaches were a side effect, so just wondered if you had experienced any?

 
@Smoka90

Nah, don't worry about. You're not ignorant, but if you tell an "average" person that you just got out from the "psych ward", they'd think that you spent a few years with the Unabomber and The Joker in the insane asylum behind bars, in a straight jacket, haha.

I'm surprised you're so sensitive of each benzo, to me the only difference I feel is the potency and the half life. I never feel depressed, or lethargy...etc.

If I pushed my tolerance back to close to 0, Xanax probably would use mild euphoria, or IV Ativan or Diazepam. But after a decade and a half, there are absolutely no side effects, If I'd take 2 xan@x, 4 cl0nazepam, 3 @tivan, 7 V@lium with the same glass of water, I wouldn't feel shit, except for calmness, and maybe I'd get sleepy.

My advice is to stick what you like, just don't overdo it, know your limits.

No, I never got any headaches on Lamictal, how many MGs are you on? My doc just recently worked my Lamictal level up to the therapeutic dose, 200mg. It definitely keeps me from being manic, but unfortunately it dwarves the effect of the Effexor, so I don't get any benefit of the latter at all, even on 225mg. I think I'm gonna try to talk to him into lowering Lamictal, and maybe go up with the 3ffexor to 300mg, where the drug it also affects dopaminergic neurotransmission, doesn't just effect the  serotonergic and noradrenergic systems. Sorry if I speak Chinese to you, but the point is, that I'm 90% depressed, and 10% manic, and this needs to be balanced out a bit more.

Also, are you on XR?

 
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@Smoka90

Sorry, I ran out of the edit time-limit..

For me the Z drugs are what benzos are for you. Every single one I was prescribed in the past, had some nasty side effect.

Amb1en made me nauseous to that point, that on my way to school, I had to stop the car and opened the door and had to say bye to my breakfast. Not even mentioning after somewhat around  the fist week I kinda got used to it, when the doc took me off of them, I had so severe WD symptoms, that I had to call the prescribing doctor and she gave me a another week's worth of refill, an told me to split hem in half and after 3 days, split them into quarters and finally  stop them.  It was still  a nightmare so I'm never touching z0piclone ever.

With Lunest@ it was much "lighter" I actually slept better, but the damn metallic taste next day in my mouth was just a no-go. I couldn't enjoy food, drinks, it was just nasty.

So I gave up on the Z class drugs, and instead I use either OTC Walsome, or an 2.5 Ativan. They work perfectly and I don't need to experiment anymore which is the best out there.

PS:Sorry for being OT

 
I had a friend once who used to order his meds from the a Chinese vendor (now long gone) but he was deathly afraid of having them sent to his address, while the Judge Advocate General (JAG, not actually a General, only a Colonel) for the entire damned Army, was staying with my wife, family and I for a 6-month temporary assignment at Camp Mackall.   The JAG and I had known each other for 20 years at this point, when I commanded the LRSD for 7ID (Light) as a Captain, he was traveling the world trying UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) cases, but he kept having to put cases in Weisbaden or Mannheim on hold so that he could....Fly back to Ord in order to devote a single day to proving the guilt of, and ministering justice to a soldier from the only Airborne / Ranger scrolled outfit at Ord...mine.

Later, he just liked staying with us when possible when he was on TDY (in this case at Mackall) because he had a Triple-A space available slot, and was thus guaranteed flights into and out of Pope Airfield (right next to Bragg) on demand, all he had to do was call up the air wing commander at Pope, fax over a copy of his orders (signed by the Attorney General of the United States), and state where he was going and when he'd like to depart.

I'm not too small a man to admit when someone else is madly worshiping my wife either - David fell in love with my bride at our wedding, and, poor fellow, went through three awful divorces trying to find  woman to emulate her.  He's an honorable man, though, and a good and true friend...If under some inconceivable circumstances she were to throw herself at him, as the JAG he knew better than anyone what an adultery case would have done to my career, and the man wasn't an idiot, by this visit I had been working with various elements of the invisible tip of the spear for 20 years - Friend or no, David wasn't going to risk being served a bowl of "Hey, aren't those my nuts floating around in there?" soup.

Anyway, this Chinese vendor didn't have a list, you simply mailed him to tell him what you wanted, he sent his runners to get it, quoted you a price, haggled a bit,  then gave you donation information, picked up your donation, packed everything willy-nilly into a box, and sent it out via courier.  Now the Celestial one did not fool  with small amounts, when you got a delivery from him it was  products in 500ml or 1 liter containers, or factory stock meant for a pharmacy.

Once, my cowardly friend who wouldn't have "items" sent to himself ordered enough Valium for the Army of the PRC (he had discovered the Terapia/Ranbaxy before Roche stomped all over them), to be sent to my address, only to receive a giant box containing about 5000 15mg Midazolam and 5000 7.5mg Midazolam, with a terse note that the Terapia were out of stock, "...but would be sent in a week o two, in the meantime use these, they are better than Valium anyhow and my gift to you for being out of stock."

Well, we had no clue what this stuff was, so like the wise, responsible consumers we were, we each chased one down of the big blue ones (15mg) with a Shiner Bock, turned on the TV...and woke 14 hours later with no memory of receiving  the box, much less washing down 15mg each with a Shiner Bock.  The good news was apparently that we hadn't attempted to make a public appearance, we just...slept.

I sent him home with his box of Rip van Winkle pills, and have no desire to try them again, and count myself lucky that the JAG had gotten lucky himself the night before, and showered / changed at the young ladies residence.  When I saw him that morning, I got to hear how wonderfully hospitable young ladies in Fayetteville were (pro tip: If you meet a lady at an establishment named the "Pink Pony" your odds are sky high of getting lucky).

And thus was my encounter with Midazlolam - Hopefully never to be repeated again.

V/R

- b2g

 
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@Back2Good

Yes sir, one of the main properties of midazolam, that it causes amnesia (or it's supposed to, if you don't have a tolerance like most of us here), and then zzzZZZZzzz...

The magic of the drug is, when my roommate once tried it in college, that he didn't even remember taking it. Everything was absolute blank, zero, nada, semmi, null.

That was the first occasion, when I got interested in the drug, because it's retrospectively causes amnesia, so it erases 30-40 minutes of your memory BEFORE you take it.

And it works too if the dose is high enough through IV, or if you give it to a 100 pound young lady with no benzo tolerance. Unfortunately often used as date-rape drug for

this very reason, because the victim doesn't remember anything leading up to having a drink with someone. Not to mention that one of the strongest benzo mixed with alcohol, you're looking at a good chance of aspiration. (Choking on your own vomit).

 
@Jackie Chiles At the moment, I'm only on 50mg daily of Lamictal. It's going up to 75mg on Saturday and 100mg two weeks later, and it's staying at 100mg. It's not XR either. My partner says the fact I'm on 600mg carbamazepine might not help either, although I'm coming off that in about 3 weeks.

I mean, I don't like to say the amount of things I take every day, but it's about half a dozen, including lamictal and things. I guess my body is telling me a few things.

The only Z drug I've tried is zop!clone, and...I don't know, it made me eat a lot, made me sleepy, gave me that metallic taste in the mouth... haven't really been tempted to go back to it. Yeah, I do stick to what I know, and keep a routine where I do not go over two uses per week, under any circumstances. It tends to be once a week. I think a short half life bennie would be better so it doesn't build up in my system, but nitr@z is mid-long half life, and et!zol@m is the only short half life one that I really like...

 
@Smoka90 It's okay. Yeah, that's how it goes,, you start off low and you're instructed to increase the dose weekly, until it reaches the desired therapeutic level. 50mg is quite low, the only significant side-effect you should be on a look-out for is skin rashes, (stay away from the sun!), but it shouldn't cause you chronic headache. I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what do you take it for again? Epilepsy, if I do recall it right? Well, it doesn't really matter, what's probably happening the half a dozen meds you're on are not liking each other too much, you just need to figure out what. Is your doctor aware all of your drugs you'e on? If not, shoot me a PM with the list of your meds, and I see what I can do to help. You have my confidence of course.

 
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I'm having the dose increased every two weeks, so it's only 3 weeks now until I'm on the full dose of 100mg. It's for epilepsy. So when I'm on the full dose of Lamictal, my carbamazepine dose will be reduced 100mg every week. I'm pretty nervous about that, since I'll be more at risk of seizures; if the Lamictal works, it will still have to work a lot to keep me stable as I lower the carbamazepine dose. And for all I know, the Lamictal won't be as effective in stopping my seizures. I'll only find out when carbamazepine goes. So, yeah...

I've got some sort of dermatitis anyway, which comes and goes, though it's always there. Sometimes one of my hands is so bad it cracks and bleeds. Now I have cream for it, so it's just sort of an...ominous rash there most of the time. It creeps me out. I have pale skin so I avoid the sun anyway. Blegh. I hate the sun. Because it hates me.

Since all the epilepsy stuff happened, I've been honest with my doctor and neurologist about what I take...but I find things quite tricky to stop...

 
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