Ketamine Vs Everything Else

[foxglove]

wow, good thread... I have considered trying K for years, but I've been wary. I wasn't aware of all the positive effects. I have severe anxiety, and depression to a lesser extent stemming from my anxiety. I wonder if K might be a worthwhile thing for me to try? Is there anything you all would suggest for a first timer? 

 

[Phrenicz]

Hey Foxglove!..

K3t isn't for everyone and is a very, very powerful substance, a bit too much and you're in a totally different world.. And it only takes that 'just too much' factor, to tip you over the edge 'so to speak'... And it may not be a world you like, in fact it could make your condition worse!..

So if I were you I'd start of very very small to see how you react!.. Make sure you are in a good 'headspace' and in a safe environment... Do not try to carry out any tasks while you are doing it, especially driving or anything like that?!... As it is a dissociative and at higher doses can render limbs absolutely useless...

It's a proper lying down job for a first timer, just to gauge it's effects...

When I say start off small, I mean really small, like maybe a little bump about 5mm squared, maybe the size of a regular screw head?.. And not too high, like 2mm?.. The effects should be noticeable within 5 - 10 mins and if snorted will last about 30 mins to an hour?.. Although I do find a nice afterglow at small doses for at least a couple of hours...

For what you describe your condition as, I wouldn't suggest any large doses at all... For the symptoms it seems you wish to treat, less is more... Keep it small and spaced apart as much as you can... After all, all you seem to be after, is a mood lift, not a trip to fuck knows where...

Please be aware though, everybody will react differently to it, so even though this is how I experience it, your experience may be totally different?..

If you are going down the K3t route, start small and stay small is my advice... Leave at least 2 - 3 hours between re-dosing...

Good luck and keep us posted : )

~P~

 

[foxglove]

sound advice, phrenicz. I may pursue it,  and just get my feet wet! Thanks!

 

[iversusvsversusi]

I am an infrequent user of K3tamin3?... Used to be much more frequent in the past..

I have explored every facet it has to offer, from the incredibly good, and sometimes very intense psychonautical aspects, right down to what I refer to as the 'regretamine binges'....I find it does help somewhat for depression, but can also bring about it's own problems?

For me k3tamin3 has been one of the most insightful things I have ever used, but it's not kind on the body, especially the bladder : (... At least not insufflated that is?... I never ventured into the IV route.. A little personal rule I have...

I have never used it in controlled environments though, ie: doctors or health professionals.. Only recreationally..

However, I did quite a long spell on low doses (about 3-4 months) and did find it to be useful in treating my OCD as well as anxiety...

What exactly is it that you wish to find out?..

~P~

Hello!

Im glad to meet someone with so much experience -

I'm interested in it's depression, pain relieving, anxiety, and introspective/pshyconautic effects.

How does it compare across that board? I understand a difference in the dose can dramatically change the perceived effects.

I assume comparisons may be able to be made somewhaaat easily in the other categories, but when it comes to the pshyc effects, do you have any DMT experiences to compare it to? Just psilocybin / lsd?

Or is it not really comparable to any of those?

Do you feel it has the typical spiritually healing properties in the same way that dmt / lsd / psilocybin do?- Although I say those three substances are unable to be compared to one another to begin with- Or is it more along the line of its' own super hypnotic at higher doses? 

During an out of body experience enduced by K, are you still presently aware, soberly conscious, maintaining 100% awareness even though your perceived outter reality may have shifted completely? Or does your conscious mind / awareness get warped too, such as on an herb like Salvia?

 

[Phrenicz]

Hello iversusvsversusi!

I have no experience with DMT?.. However, I have plenty with LSD and Psilocybin..

As you have stated, they are very hard to compare..

I would say K3tamin3 has much more in common with LSD at low to moderate doses, only much less hallucinogenic. Well, for me anyway?..

However, at a high dose (The K hole threshold), this can be very different, more comparable to psilocybin... Very inward and introspective... You are not at all in control of your 'journey'... You can quickly become extremely detached from everything in the 'real world', unaware of time, touch, taste or any of the normal senses..

At the peak of your experience you would be totally unaware of self, your physical form forgotten, your journey purely inside your own minds' creation and totally 'out of body'... Very much a 'virtual reality' type of experience, but at that moment in time, that is your reality, all your past, present and future ceases to exist... Obviously this can vary in many aspects, sometimes is involves many different realities and it's not uncommon to keep jumping to and from these during your experience?...

I find K3tamin3 to be slightly unpredictable for me personally?.. Mostly, my personal K Hole experience would always begin with the usual fear & trepidation associated with psychoactive substances, but would nearly always bloom into a world of awe and wonder, while all the time, yearning to go deeper into the experience. It can also induce extreme states of pure joy and bliss, to even rival the state achievable at the perfect peaking dose of psilocybin...

However, I have also had some very uncomfortable & difficult experiences on it?.. Experiences that seemed to go on for a lifetime!.. Worlds of dark nothingness and what I can only describe as pure, glacial dread!... However, if you are anything like me, I saw these as lessons.. Problems in my psyche that needed to be overcome somehow?.. 'What doesn't kill you makes you stronger' and all that!.. After all, you can't have the light without the dark can you...

It's been a long time since I have used K3tamin3 in this way though... I feel like my psychonautic days are behind me, at least for the foreseeable future anyway, it seemed I was able to handle the experiences much easier when I was younger?..

I cannot stress enough how potent a substance k3tamin3 is at these doses though and unless you are an experienced 'traveller' I would not recommend it!.. It is definitely a substance which should be treated with lots and lots of respect and I advise anyone to tread with caution...

~P~

 

[Phrenicz]

Oh and yes, I found my time with K3tamin3 very spiritually healing for the most part...

I also find it very inspirational in an artistic sense... Those couple of hours, days, even years after an experience, as with most psychoactive drugs can be just as revealing as the experience itself.. In fact more so, I think, with K3tamin3?..

Also, at much smaller doses, for me at least, it doesn't seem to hinder productivity and general functioning. Which means my creativity can be utilised while I am dosing. However, I am talking small, below threshold doses, rather than high doses..

Hope that helps...

~P~

 

[Suzie]

I've read descriptions of the K hole experience and I had one  just like it on aCid years ago... complete out of body for hours and since then I've always thought that this must be what happens when you die and leave your body.  I also read or heard somewhere that spirits miss the "physical" so I try to appreciate what my body feels, the negative along with the positive thinking that once I die it will be all K hole anyway, lol

 

[big]

Ive been there

 

[big]

life changing

 

[big]

you get to see the spirit world swirl in front of you and just not watch...not in touch with reality at all

 

[iversusvsversusi]

Oh and yes, I found my time with K3tamin3 very spiritually healing for the most part...

I also find it very inspirational in an artistic sense... Those couple of hours, days, even years after an experience, as with most psychoactive drugs can be just as revealing as the experience itself.. In fact more so, I think, with K3tamin3?..

Also, at much smaller doses, for me at least, it doesn't seem to hinder productivity and general functioning. Which means my creativity can be utilised while I am dosing. However, I am talking small, below threshold doses, rather than high doses..

Hope that helps...

~P~

 Everything you have described about it sounds appealing and another step in the path I'm apparenty creating to experience.

I'd like to check what schedule it falls under in the US, as Im a bit hesitant to order the sched 1s - BUT, if anyone has history/experience with a trusted vendor, please feel free to contact me. I would really appreciate it!

Thanks for the information regardless!

 

[Guest]

Modaman

 

[PITA]

Years ago I used to buy it regularly and would go into the hole. During the time in that state it seemed like I would experience  countless lifetimes. I wouldn't say it completely detaches you from all other things, because once while in that state I heard a Taco Bell commercial on TV. Somehow it made me think I was a taco, and someone was eating me. Unlike what you may think hearing that, I wasn't afraid or anything. 

For me the best way to enjoy it at higher doses is by sitting in front of a PC with some classic rock playing and visualizations working with the music. Just my personal opinion, and that was when doing it alone.

And if Moda doesn't have it TTM does at good prices and in "original containers", so you can expect no adulterations. Theres only one US source afaik, but it seems to be spotty at best not to mention pretty expensive. 

 

[Roger]

There was an interesting article in New York post today about ketamine and depression treatment. Apparently there has been an upswing of clinical trials and off label prescribing this year. It is quite expensive at $300 - $1,000 per treatment with extensive treatments needed. Obviously it isn't close to main stream and conventional doctors don't think it ever will be be.

 

[Phrenicz]

There was an interesting article in New York post today about ketamine and depression treatment. Apparently there has been an upswing of clinical trials and off label prescribing this year. It is quite expensive at $300 - $1,000 per treatment with extensive treatments needed. Obviously it isn't close to main stream and conventional doctors don't think it ever will be be.

Yes Roger, I have also been keeping a keen eye on this development.. However, I share the same pessimism as you, with regards to it ever being an 'ethically viable' treatment..

Sad really, but it's unfortunately another side effect of the inept morons in charge!!

~P~

 

[Jwhite0009]

I have been experimenting a little with micro doses of this. So far it seems to be helping. I used the dosing guidelines from the clinical trials. It's a shame this treatment isn't more available.

 

[kindsty]

K is very strong and on its own level compared to any of the benz0s or pks it just made me trip hard I did not like that too much but everyone's different.

 

[blissopifree 2]

I'm gonna have my first dmt experience this weekend,I've tripped on lsd and mushrooms plenty but im looking forward to the visuals etc attributed to dmt...

 

[dbc23]

I'm really interested in this add a possible depression treatment, but it seems the treatment regimen calls for slow IV infusion. Oddly that's something I'm capable of doing at home, but capable and willing are very different things.

 

[dbc23]

I'm really interested in this add a possible depression treatment, but it seems the treatment regimen calls for slow IV infusion. Oddly that's something I'm capable of doing at home, but capable and willing are very different things.