Klonopin Or Valium?

[blissopifree 2]

@tiv@n for a lovely,  but brief feeling of relaxation,  quite like brom@z -  not sure why and really good nitr@z.

V@ls over kpins.  Pins don't have an effect on me. 

I also enjoy m0gi€s I'd much rather have one 5mg mog than a 20mg t€mazap@m which is strange?.

But since the jelly eggs were removed and replaced by what I call the "chalkies" tablets I find them useless.Considering they are 3 times stronger I expected to feel more from them but I've allways loved the glow I get from mogs....

Peace 

Bliss.....

 

[ElectroNymph]

I also enjoy m0gi€s I'd much rather have one 5mg mog than a 20mg t€mazap@m which is strange?.

But since the jelly eggs were removed and replaced by what I call the "chalkies" tablets I find them useless.Considering they are 3 times stronger I expected to feel more from them but I've allways loved the glow I get from mogs....

Peace 

Bliss.....

Agreed.  Just tried Zone's Nitrraaz and passed out! 20mg.

 

[ElectroNymph]

And I have a highish tolerance! 

 

[blissopifree 2]

And I have a highish tolerance! 

Yes i hear VERY good reports on the serb brand! @ ElectroNymph......

I've only had valiant  (pk so not that great) but they deffo work.

But the almus brand I love and I imagine the serb sourced ones to be very similar in potency terms?.

Peace 

Bliss....

 

[JK1976]

I like xan and val at same time with a heavier dose of pks. Then you got everything as far as energy no anxiety.

 

[ElectroNymph]

Yes @Bliss ,  they are very potent -  and inexpensive!  I too ordered from another vendor (Arem) cheap but ineffective. 

 

[blissopifree 2]

Yes I know who you talk of and not to be ordered from just now anyway!.

I've seen posts saying they are great and I (almost) made an order because of the good reviews conserning quality,glad I didn't as you think they're gash yeah.The only bad bit in the reviews of them were they were very crumbly but obviously they'd never took real chemist type moggies??

Peace

Bliss.....

 

[ElectroNymph]

They were the size of dinner plates. 

 

[blissopifree 2]

Sounds like solpadol  (the dissolvable ones) by the sound of it?.

They must've been so full of fillers!!!.

Probably melatonin ect???

Peace 

Bliss.....

 

[Rivali]

Rivotril by far!! or (Klonopin) as you say.I love the banana's called Clonotril 2mg, they dissolve in water or milk & I used to have a lovely strong Milkshake when I had those!! Saved me having to have a Tea or Coffee to make them work faster/stronger. But I still am a Roche man, Rivotril is the original & best in my opinion.But if I could get the banana's to my door faster I would definitely get them as they taste so nice & the effect was unbelievable. I do Diaz*pam every day as i'm dependent & they are not as strong as Rivotril/Clonaz*/Klons,these are 4 times stronger than Valium/Diaz*.

Rivali 

 

[Guest]

I have found that neither really seem to produce euphoria but when you first start taking them there may be a bit. These are the only two meds I keep on hand @Art__Vandelay and use them for different reasons. To be quite honest, they both do the job but V's help a bit more with muscle relaxation but the dosage is higher.         @Broadway2282 is correct as quality V's like Aups will do the job as good as any benzo, and you don't have to take them often, just my opinion. FF

 

[Tranaxfan]

To me they are two different animals.

Kpins last really long (8-10) hours but make me withdrawn and spacy. They are one of the strongest benz0s I take.  Also, I try not to take them too often as I have read on various forums that withdrawal from Kpins can be quite rough. They do a great job reducing anxiety but also make me more zombie like by numbing other emotions as well. 

V@ls are less potent,  and as my tolerance is pretty high I use them much less these days. They have been around since the 60's and still remain one of the most popular benz0s around for a good reason. They keep my head clearer, and just take the edge of when i am having a stressful day. For me,  they help against stress but do little to relieve acute anxiety. They have a much longer half-life,  making it easier to reduce the dosage when starting to wean yourself off. They are imo the safest benz0 to take. And yes,  they help reduce muscle tension as well for me. 

 

[chitownlp]

klonopin is a longer acting benzo.  It treats anxiety all day long. 

xanax is a shorter acting benzo.  It treats panic attacks the best but does not last all day.  If you just get panic attacks ever once in awhile. Xanax is best.

 

[VII]

Here's some advice from a user that has over a decade of experience on Klonopin (prescription) and recently started Valium.

For one, the medications both last roughly the same time period with the peaks being about the same. Valium however stays in your system longer than Klonopin which is why most doctors will not prescribe you Valium (from my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong). Now, with that said the effects are about the same but varies per person and also depends on your tolerance to the medication. 

I had surgery years back which I was given 20MG of Valium to take before the surgery. It was a bit too much for my body seeing I was on a low dose of benzodiazepines causing my tolerance to the medication to be quite low. It was beyond a euphoric feeling seeing I was merely a teenager at the time - granted I was on a much higher dose of Klonopin at the time but my tolerance levels did not go up between the time given between both medications.

If I was to choose either Klonopin or Valium, I'd stick with Klonopin. It's much safer all around for the most part if you're going to take it daily. No benzodiazepine is "safe" seeing it's highly habit forming and you should honestly think twice before consuming the substance on a daily or weekly basis as your body atones to the medication quite rapidly, especially with Valium - habit forming behavior and withdrawals begin to occur within a weeks time span of taking the medication itself (Valium).

These particular medications are designed to make you feel neutral and somewhat euphoric but not too intense. It calms the heart rate down to a steady pace to help prevent panic along with what I can only describe as "happy cells" forming in your brain. There's scientific terminology for this which you might want to look into but it changes the way your brain reacts and registers things in a sense.

These medications just like any other controlled substance are very risky, for instance if you were to take both Valium and Klonopin together for a month straight and drop it cold turkey you'd most likely end up in a hospital. You'd be very prone to seizures and various other things, the list goes on.

Personally I like mixing Klonopin with Valium because it seems to work for me personally. The two medications are like two peas in a pod, but that's due to the fact I've been on Klonopin and Xanax for over ten years prescribed by a psychiatrist at a young age. 

My advice to you is the following:

1) If you have a panic disorder that is consistent (every day) you need to consult with a psychiatrist and perhaps get a neurologist involved aswell to make sure everything is alright with your brain. 

2) If you have a panic disorder that is not consistent (every now and then at various times) I'd suggest looking into more "direct" drugs like Xanax which is fast acting and is more potent than both Valium and Klonopin - it just doesn't last as long in your system.

With that said, if "1" is what you're currently experiencing you need Klonopin. I wouldn't experiment with it, I'd suggest taking baby steps if you don't have experience with it.

Seeing that you stated it was social anxiety which is telling me just in social situations, I believe Xanax would be better suited for you apposed from Valium or Klonopin.

There's some charts out there with the peak rates of all three medications I've been talking about, but for the most part Xanax will do the trick for what you've described. 

As a reminder, I can't stress this enough. Klonopin and Valium are medications that are designed for long term effects, not short term like Xanax. It defeats the purpose of Klonopin or Valium if it's just for social occasions. One way to describe this is 100mg of Valium is equal to 1-2mg of Xanax to most without much of a tolerance. You also need to know such medications stay in your urine for approximately 3 weeks (randomized drug tests come into play all the time), you need to learn their peak levels and duration levels, and you also need to know how long they stay in your system.

So in conclusion, look up all three medications I've stated above regarding their peak/duration levels to find the right one for you. For some, mixing an anti-depressant in with Klonopin or Valium empowers the effects it has on your body and somewhat keeps a stable form on your body. For me, I cannot take anti-depressants seeing I obtain motor ticks or some strange side effect on practically every anti-depressant on the market. So the more research you do, the better off you'll be.

Just stay safe my friend, I know what you're going through and I know it's a pain. I just hope you find what's best for you and that it actually helps. 

Regards,

-VII

 

[blissopifree 2]

I've heard people try and taper off xanax with klon as xanax is a quick acting med,meaning re-dosing frequently.Whereas klon is a long acting med that may only need to be re-dosed once at the most depending on the amount of xanax taken daily.

Of course the same can be said for di@z and the ashton method really works if used to the letter....

Peace 

Bliss....

 

[VII]

I've heard people try and taper off xanax with klon as xanax is a quick acting med,meaning re-dosing frequently.Whereas klon is a long acting med that may only need to be re-dosed once at the most depending on the amount of xanax taken daily.

Of course the same can be said for di@z and the ashton method really works if used to the letter....

Peace 

Bliss....

They do taper you off Xan for Klon/Val. Basically Klon/Val are so close it's honestly hard to tell what would be better for the average consumer that has anxiety issues seeing every human being reacts to any medication in their own unique way. 

Basically, if he's having social anxiety if you're about to go out and take a small amount of Xan that will last you 4-5 hours it should cover you for the most part regarding social anxiety. So it would become a taken when needed substance, not an everyday thing even though it's very habit forming in a rapid way.

Granted, I'm no pharmacist, I do not have a PhD in any doctoral degree so I cannot provide legal advice; only what I already know from years and years of experience being on these substances. I assume it depends on what he's seeking from the medication - as in timeframes apposed from generalized social anxiety. If we knew more like how long he's usually out and about in social situations where it occurs and if it turns out that the longer lasting ones like KP/Val would be the answer then I'd go with KP/Val, preferably KP over Val seeing Val is good to ween yourself off KP and Xan but can be habit forming within a week so it's very tricky, would most likely need to seek a medical professional for advice regarding such a sensitive subject.

 

[KarenWalker]

I have been on benzos for 16-17 years. Diazepam, Alprazolam, Clonazepam, anything that ends in pam.

Was on Xanax (Alprazolam) for about 8 years and then I was prescribed Klonopin (clonazepam) to get off the Xanax. Many people say it's impossible but I felt so much better because the effects of Xanax wear off so fast and it just makes me really depressed. I also feel like my brain is being squeezed. I've taken Valium (Diazepam) and I hate it because it's the opposite of Xanax. It stays in the system for an eternity and makes me feel like a zombie. I just want it to wear off. Now Klonopin is JUST RIGHT. It takes away the edge, it calms me down right away. It doesn't make me groggy, I am fully functional on it. I give Klonopin  ️️️️️ 5 stars.

 

[VII]

I have been on benzos for 16-17 years. Diazepam, Alprazolam, Clonazepam, anything that ends in pam.

Was on Xanax (Alprazolam) for about 8 years and then I was prescribed Klonopin (clonazepam) to get off the Xanax. Many people say it's impossible but I felt so much better because the effects of Xanax wear off so fast and it just makes me really depressed. I also feel like my brain is being squeezed. I've taken Valium (Diazepam) and I hate it because it's the opposite of Xanax. It stays in the system for an eternity and makes me feel like a zombie. I just want it to wear off. Now Klonopin is JUST RIGHT. It takes away the edge, it calms me down right away. It doesn't make me groggy, I am fully functional on it. I give Klonopin  ️️️️️ 5 stars.

Speaking of Xan, there's other pam's out there that work better than Xan like NPam for instance. Sounds like you've been through a lot, I'm sorry to hear you go through such negative things.

I agree, KP would be a good starting point but then again the flip side of the coin is Val is sometimes better depending on the situation. It really depends on the individual seeing everyone reacts to the medication(s) differently. So all in all, suggesting to try both and see what works best for you or them. 

Seeing you have a lot of experience with these classes, what's your stance on NPam? So far it's done wonders on my end as a multi-use benz.

Regards,

-VII

 

[amberleaf]

Re tapering off Benz@s, has anyone had any experience of The Dr Ashton Reduction method program using V,s only? Just asking out of interest as heard it works?

 

[VII]

Re tapering off Benz@s, has anyone had any experience of The Dr Ashton Reduction method program using V,s only? Just asking out of interest as heard it works?

For the most part it works for nearly everyone but you need to find the right one that suits you. There's a lot of users here that use the Ashton method and had success with it.