Trying to find a source dor rhis or something similar - trusted vendors - currently resorting to 2MAP for research but not really liking it much the sites I use are out of stock wirh my fave. Any opiate RC shipped from USA or Canada would be great to know if . Please help here guys - tHaN‘x
@Kooter This are theories, just what I think could be the reason. So there are possibilities, the first one is the dr@g itself is toxic as it happened with BT.CP. Sometimes a structure will have an effect like causing cancer or being toxic to a particular type of cell and it's not known until testing is done. The other possibility is that a toxic impurity is being left on the final products. This one makes more sense to me since some people report doing fine with the dr@g. The classic example is MP.PP. The substance itself is fine, the problem is that if the reaction is carried out at temperatures over 30ºC MP-TP is formed, and MP-TP is incredibly toxic for dopaminergic neurons. This is a risk we take with every new chemical, the newer it is the greater the risk, and 2m@p had never been used, so it could be anything. Ac3tylF3ntanyl is ''safe'' because it uses the same synthesis as f3ntanyl except acetic anhydride is used instead of propanoic anhydride. It's always better to pick ch3micals that have some rese@rch behind them so we know they're not toxic.
@Kooter as Far as I can tell nothing people say it’s really strong but I’ve had multiple sources and it’s not I have noticed some side effects you know like in an appearance you can tell I’ve taken some kind of chemical where as with like Kratom you wouldn’t see that but I mean that’s kind of similar With most opiates you know it shows your show like a difference in appearance Sorta can tell I’ve taken something, it’s not that much like not that pronounced but that’s all I’ve noticed. Tramadol was a lot worse in terms of causing like an appearance where it looks like I have taken a chemical. I think most people just don’t know how to take it you have to mix it in water. I think they often snort it or they take the powder and eat it directly. It can’t be taken that way to get get a good effect same with ODMST. With ODMST if you make a water mixture that is too strong and not diluted enough it’ll give you like this rush where you think you’re going to have a seizure and die so the first time I tried it I thought it sucked but then I noticed when I poured more water into it (the bottle) because I have a medical condition and I needed something medical in order to go to work I noticed it actually works and it worked great so I think most people with that other one 2MAP Just aren’t taking it right because you have to put it in the water and make a diluted mixture. Too much at once will be ineffective and yeah It might give them a rush they feel like they’re gonna die, But as far as the Opiate effects , I don’t find that strong at all it’s just when taken the wrong way you get the strong kind of stimulating rush. I think that’s what it is people just don’t really know how to take it correctly in class a lot of people are probably snorting it and they comment on how much of burns and they use the term Caustic repeatedly and forums describing it. And I think people get that confused with toxic and I don’t see anything toxic about it at all I mean relatively speaking of course.
I’d say it’s safer than tramadol and more effective but it doesn’t last very long and people talk about tolerance building up fast but I don’t see it. I think it’s a lot better than any pharmaceutical I’ve taken , But I prefer ODMST.
Also I think they get it confused with a AP238 Which is a chemical similar I’ve heard you know it’s in the same class of drugs but I’ve never touched it never plan to. Just something about it I don’t wanna touch it so I think people act like they’re the same thing but they’re not. So that’s just my u no experience or whatever
L@Layne_Cobain:
@The Doctor RC word I hear yah frustrating when expected delivery date just keeps passing and updates to the following day but is what it is I guess 🙏
@Hankhill:
saturn is my go to but i wish they had more variety
@Finger-of-God:
u5ps handles our shipments just fine. 200+ daily, just have to split them up to different locations.
@The Doctor RC:
Well you know UxPx can't handle the amount of priority mail and FDX is having trouble with business so now they help UxPx handle like a certain percentage of priority mail as far as transportation from location to location
L@Layne_Cobain:
UessPess tracking is agonizingly stupid 😬 😥
O@ochemdim:
Agreed, apologies all. But at the same time I’ve seen articles about spray bottles that are very expensive. Paying more for less when it comes down to it. I think we should help each other out , but this may not be the spot to discuss this topic, you’re right about that
N@necromedic:
@ochemdim : definitely will. I feel like we should have started a thread about this. Apologies, @Admin if this was improper use of the box. Please purge, if necessary.
O@ochemdim:
@necromedic ah ok interesting! Let me know what the researchers find out. The hypothesis makes sense, only thing I’d be wary of is the irritability of VG, and keep in mind, when VG and HCł are mixed, chlorôhýdrín is produced which is very irritating but that’d have to be pretty strong HÇł I believe and just washing before hand will rid the excess HÇł
N@necromedic:
@ochemdim : anecdotally, especially with the way other people have prepared them with just distilled H2O and maybe EtOH or BA for sterility, I would definitely agree, and I’ve wondered if that it’s due to the speed of drainage with such a low weight solvent. That’s why I’ve experimented with adding VG to increase viscosity to let it hang in the NM a little longer. Possibly more diffusion/osmotic pressure with a dry vs hydrated medium?
O@ochemdim:
@Royboy88, @Layne_Cobain, @necromedic in a couple research papers I’ve read, they always found that the sprays had lower absorption rates compared to traditional. I could be wrong but I’d research it if I were doing a study and needed references
L@Layne_Cobain:
@Royboy99 never got to try one of those saline sprays but a snuff bullet is a great compromise love mine Amazon has good ones for cheap
N@necromedic:
@Royboy99: I’ve just held on to one, rinse it with EtOH and refill with saline and VG. You can find the devices, dirt cheap, on a lot of sites.