Oxycodone and Hydromorphone

[DoAlHu]

I enjoy reading about oxy. I absolutely love the uplifting euphoria I get! I'm picking up some hydromorphone books. For those who have read both, how would you compare euphoria? I've been reading about morphine all this week and haven't been too impressed. 

 

[Ebolapancakes]

@DoAlHu Every time I've tried M0rph1ne I've been disappointed no matter the dose. Super weak. I've heard IV is a lot stronger but don't have any personal experience. I've only had hydr0m0rph in the hospital a few times and have needed to tell the nurse to up the dose, but once they get the dose right it's pretty niiiceee lol. Oxsea for me is perfect. Never lets me down

 

[Leeah]

Does anyone know about how long after your last dose of oxi would you starts wtdrawl

 

[Ebolapancakes]

@Leeah When I was taking it every day, I would go into w/d after about 10-12 hours after my last dose. Starting with upset stomach and sniffles. I think it really depends on how long you've been taking 0xcee, how much, and dose frequency.

 

[wolverine]

@Leeah When I was taking it every day, I would go into w/d after about 10-12 hours after my last dose. Starting with upset stomach and sniffles. I think it really depends on how long you've been taking 0xcee, how much, and dose frequency.

OC when I was using only OC 6 hours and I start feeling down 8-10 full on wds. Dilly I only used long ago when I was IV user and honestly I never felt a high just the most beautiful rush I’d normally mix 16mg or so with h or some 80s and bop it to just enhance the rush bc it is by far one of the most euphoric upon initial plunge. When I only IV OC I would have to do a middle of the night boot to stay right. So glad I put the pins down and have not touched them in well over 10 years 

 

[wolverine]

To add to the above this was once I was using heavy and high doses. At first 10 hours easy but once your truely dependent it changes. I’m not talking craving snd a lil uncomfortable I’m talking crapping you pants and thinking this is what torture in hell feels like dependent… I have known many many people who experience this exact thing 

 

[rootshealer]

@DoAlHu @Ebolapancakes Those partial to h3r0in (not the f cut) seem to love m0rph. No surprise - Heroin is actually brand name for diacetyl morphine aka diamorphine. I've heard anecdotes of h3r0in users asking for IV m0rph (and refuse other things) in hospital because it's closest to h3r0in.

@Leeah 8-12h, which on the pharmacokinetic graph is when a dose dramatically falls off

 

[Leeah]

Only for like 3-4 weeks prolly 20 mgs a day. 

 

[Ebolapancakes]

@Leeah ahh ok. You will have a few days of feeling a little under the weather, but won’t be a full blown intense w/d. 20 mgs really isn’t much.

 

[Leeah]

@Ebolapancakesso if i go 24-36 hours without it and dont feel any symptoms i should be good hey? 

 

[Ebolapancakes]

@Leeah if you put down the oxsea for a couple days and don’t feel any w/d I’d say you’re probably in the clear. 

 

[DoAlHu]

For me using ox for a month or more at a time. Withdrawal really starts 36 hours after.

If I use it a couple weeks at a time, moderate dose. I don't withdrawl. Just a bit blah and moody for a few days. 

 

[Ebolapancakes]

@DoAlHu yeah symptoms would peak at about 24-48 hours for me. but I definitely had some symptoms before then and knew what was coming. If she’s not feeling anything by 48 hours I’d think she’s probably in the clear. 

 

[DoAlHu]

@DoAlHu yeah symptoms would peak at about 24-48 hours for me. but I definitely had some symptoms before then and knew what was coming. If she’s not feeling anything by 48 hours I’d think she’s probably in the clear. 

I completely agree!

 

[wolverine]

@DoAlHu @Ebolapancakes Those partial to h3r0in (not the f cut) seem to love m0rph. No surprise - Heroin is actually brand name for diacetyl morphine aka diamorphine. I've heard anecdotes of h3r0in users asking for IV m0rph (and refuse other things) in hospital because it's closest to h3r0in.

@Leeah 8-12h, which on the pharmacokinetic graph is when a dose dramatically falls off

I was IV H user daily for almost 2 years  before Fent dope was out. I got #4 that was like Aruba sand lol. So light of tan you thought it was white until it was under your head and in your hands. Extremely strong stuff…  I’d IV 2 oh see 80s which 150mg of oxycodone is soluble in 1ml of water. And get no rush no high just keep stable but .1 of this and my head was on a swivel and nodding out nicely. But morp IMO is the oldest op8 and is the most boring. IV is terrible pins and needles nothing like the ecstatic rush of diamorph which has a way higher level of euphoria. Morph I could only enjoy for a few months when I went onto opioids daily but it has a calm warm blanket inside you but even then I was using oh c 40s but needed 2x 60mg xr to get that effect but it lasted a long time solid 12 hours maybe more 

 

[rootshealer]

@Ebolapancakesso if i go 24-36 hours without it and dont feel any symptoms i should be good hey? 

Even if you feel symptoms, just remember that you will be good. It passes.

I knew a lady on 15mg, but she'd been taking it long enough (at least 6 months) that WDs kept her in the bathroom. Didn't help that she had inflammatory bowel disease too. Then of course she'd be seeking because, lord knows, anything to stop that feeling. I finally told her to just pop some benzos and sleep through it. What's worse - the risk of soiling yourself while asleep, or while awake and experiencing all the other symptoms? Wasn't a difficult choice, and she did well - lost a day to sleep, but got her through worst of it, and better than losing months or years chasing the high, as I've heard others regretfully recount (at least they lived to talk about it though).

Anyhow, long story short, yours is likely to be mild. Definitely keep in mind the option to sleep through it - cannabis, benzos.

 

[wolverine]

I found Opana to be my go to when I did not have h but when I was using it was the hay day of street available scripts and I had a plug monthly on a familys xr and Ir Opana husband and wife. 30 and 40 xr and both 5 &10 Ir lol I still dream about having that plug . OC see is metabolized into oxseemorphone. I believe that the United States needs to admit that taking the clean pharmaceuticals off the streets and denying people scripts who need them they created the most dangerous and worst black market. Now every thing is pressed even low dose m3th press Adderall. It’s a sick market. Xans pressed w fnt. It’s caused a 30% increase in deaths from overdoses. I thought they wanted that number to go down? Treatment in usa is a joke either Methadone which is government controlled and a life commitment which I don’t think is right pain Docs should be able to treat addiction with any opioid or opiate with a goal of slowly getting on a long acting opioid and stabilize. Or bupenorphine which is a joke. Serious long term opiate users are not going to be comfortable on a opioid that is partially antagonist. The subs do help some people but also clinics are full of people who don’t belong there. I remember my first 4-5 year stint at a Methadone clinic I saw people who increased their opioid tolerance and their addiction by going on Methadone when they were taking 10 Vicodin a day. Methadone is a serious opioid. Certain levels of use should be maintained by a doc or given a very low bupe dose. I also have a piece of advice for anyone coming off Methadone ive tapered out of a clinic 3 times and then was prescribed Methadone for pain from my doctor for 5 years until he was forced to retire from threats after the new prescription guidelines. If you are going off and not to another long term opioid do a 2 -4 week low dose tramadol end taper after discontinue the Methadone. If you are a long term Methadone patient a slow taper won’t be physically painful but will end in depression and lack of motivation and just lack of any motivation. Tramadol has a antidepressant effect which really helps and will help going from slow dose of a heavy opioid to a low dose of a light one. Just makes it easier. 

 

[wolverine]

I wish a pharmaceutical company would rerelease a high dose version of levorphanol for treating addiction. It’s a safer and more effective option to Methadone . Currently only one manufacturer makes it in 2mg pills. Any pharmaceutical company could make a fortune doing a high dose xr rerelease

 

[wolverine]

Even if you feel symptoms, just remember that you will be good. It passes.

I knew a lady on 15mg, but she'd been taking it long enough (at least 6 months) that WDs kept her in the bathroom. Didn't help that she had inflammatory bowel disease too. Then of course she'd be seeking because, lord knows, anything to stop that feeling. I finally told her to just pop some benzos and sleep through it. What's worse - the risk of soiling yourself while asleep, or while awake and experiencing all the other symptoms? Wasn't a difficult choice, and she did well - lost a day to sleep, but got her through worst of it, and better than losing months or years chasing the high, as I've heard others regretfully recount (at least they lived to talk about it though).

Anyhow, long story short, yours is likely to be mild. Definitely keep in mind the option to sleep through it - cannabis, benzos.

Here is a trick if you are in light withdrawals take 100 tabs of anti diarrhea pills they are opioids actually synthesized at the same time as Fent. Only it doesn’t cross the blood brain barrier so it binds to your opioid receptors in your gut and not brain. But small amounts do get through. I promise you down 100 loperamide you will feel better noticeably. Just make sure it’s pure loperamide.