RC equivalents for L0r&z3p&m and D1&z3p&m?

[Deleted member 58624]

The big picture, hope it's not too long a read.

Some guidance needed from experienced RC and/or Ph&rm& B3nz0 ex/users.

Looking for RC substitutes for L0r&z3p&m and D1&z3p&m that I use only to maintain a sense of normality.

I know we're talking about RC's and any suggestions would be based on anecdotal evidence/experience (which I highly value). I'm relatively new to RC's so the responsibility is all mine and I'd love to hear your experience/suggestions.

Context : I've been depressed for over 60 years, as long as I can remember. From the earliest I would self medicate with all the wrong stuff, but it had to be done - what can I say, got into the game early, just not much besides booze, gr&ss, c0k3 and L$D, and stopped it all many years ago.

Then, after more years just enduring depression rise and fall I asked the doc about anti depressants and we went through a whole series of them and nothing worked for more than a few days so I gave up on them - it was just a hammering I couldn't take any more. I also got scripted for &t1v&n for sleep (as needed) and had a a box of 5m&g V&l1um from whenever for the same, neither of which I touched until recently.

So it was back to just sucking it up - no escape, just the occasional beer - and did my exercises, developed/kept at interests/work and practiced meditation a lot.

Recently the depression came back worse and just got too much and I was overwhelmed and couldn't sleep and decided to use what works for that. .5-1m&g (depends on time of month) L0r&z3p&m to sleep and for anxiety. Found 5m&gs D1&z3p&m worked for the overwhelming emotion of the depression, both taken the same time last thing at night.

I rarely take anything during the day, only if needed, and never for recreational - I will/do other for the occasional mild recreational.

So ... Currently taking .5-1m&g L0r&z3p&m at night for sleep 6 - 8 hrs, also works well for general anxiety. I also take 5m&gs D1&z3p&m to keep negative emotion/depression from overwhelming me.

I've been doing this for 6mts and it works well enough, keeps the mental/emotional manageable, trouble is I am on a limited income and this stuff is expensive (to me) and hard to get in any quantity to my fortress island, so what I want to do is find RC substitutes for both these m3ds.

I'm thinking Br0m0n0rd1&zep&m to sub for D1&z3p&m, maybe - bc I saw @tiquanunderwood mention in his ongoing taper. But I'm not sure about subbing for L0r&z3p&m, thought maybe r1lm&z&f0ne bc I read a little about it.

Someone suggested I read up on KRM-II-81 but it made no sense to me - I was never a student - literally - but I'll look again in case something hits me.

If you can help, great. Would love to get some feedback/suggestions on this to help me find my feet with this issue.

Thanks ...

 

[tiquanunderwood]

Well, diving into the RC world of b3nz0s can be dicey. I assume your Lor@z3p@m and V@l1um are prescribed? Or maybe not as you said it was expensive?

Anyways, you asked for RC advice. There are vendors on here that have real pharma v@l1um. One vendor has them at like $1.10 a piece if you buy 300. But, yeah the RCees are the cheaper route to go for the most part.

I personally would caution using two different b3nz0d1@zep1nes, because you could probably just take 10-15mg V@l1um and eliminate the Lor@z3p@m.

But, there is a Lor@z3p@m RSea out there right now. It's called Flu0prazol@m. I have no experience with this one as I'm tapering off with br0m0n0r right now.

And then yes, br0m0n0rd1@zepam (or des@alkg1d@Z3PAM) would be a suitable replacement for V@l1um. It's half life is 74 hours so one dose of 6-8 MG can cover your GAD for 2 days potentially.

I love it. It's worth looking into. And once the CN vendors come back, as they're still producing it, we should have it domestically after Chinese holiday for a decent price.

There are liquid solution vendors out there right now that have these.

I recommend throwing a few bucks towards being a member of this site. It will give you access to what you need and you can also PM members.

 

[RedMan39]

Yeah pm’ing is great way to have convos secretly that may be able to provide more info than thru threads. Idk if this is directed solely at tiquan but I’ve have similar history and he knows his shit. That’s forsure. Also he’s coming off some heavy shit I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that as he openly posts about it and has tons of experience it seems in this rc world. Fluo ime is very sedative like. So if you truly are taking why your taking for sleep I agree with underwood in that sense. I was suicidally depressed for years and I too used wrong means to deal with it- attempts, m3th addiction, other adddictions, I’ve been rx’d everything it seems on the market. Currently take about 11-13 rx meds. Idc about anyone’s opinions about big pharma and how that’s unnecessary- I’m stable, not suicidal, and not currently addicted to drugs or using ANTYTHING to escape from reality. In fact been clean from my DOC for over six years.
As previously mentioned, we’re wondering if your rxd it and if it’s too expensive don’t have insurance? I know that’s private details- obviously don’t have to answer. But like what was said there some ‘affordable’ vendors out there who offer pharmacies grade. If your the type where you get really bad at night I’d say fluo, flual, broma, combo of flual/broma I honestly feel like would be advantageous to your sleep as well as fluo. You can find Mexican xans at reasonable prices if look hard enough which frankly imo is less strong than Pfizer of American xannies and closer to a lor@z3p@m feeling.

 

[RedMan39]

Good news is there’s lot of options out there- bad news is obviously you have to pay for it and take risk

 

[Deleted member 58624]

Well, diving into the RC world of b3nz0s can be dicey. I assume your Lor@z3p@m and V@l1um are prescribed? Or maybe not as you said it was expensive?

Anyways, you asked for RC advice. There are vendors on here that have real pharma v@l1um. One vendor has them at like $1.10 a piece if you buy 300. But, yeah the RCees are the cheaper route to go for the most part.

I personally would caution using two different b3nz0d1@zep1nes, because you could probably just take 10-15mg V@l1um and eliminate the Lor@z3p@m.

But, there is a Lor@z3p@m RSea out there right now. It's called Flu0prazol@m. I have no experience with this one as I'm tapering off with br0m0n0r right now.

And then yes, br0m0n0rd1@zepam (or des@alkg1d@Z3PAM) would be a suitable replacement for V@l1um. It's half life is 74 hours so one dose of 6-8 MG can cover your GAD for 2 days potentially.

I love it. It's worth looking into. And once the CN vendors come back, as they're still producing it, we should have it domestically after Chinese holiday for a decent price.

There are liquid solution vendors out there right now that have these.

I recommend throwing a few bucks towards being a member of this site. It will give you access to what you need and you can also PM members.

Thanks for replying, I do appreciate it, especially from one so knowledgeable - reading your taper thread is educational but still not quite in my grasp - experience rules.

Yes, buying from OS, docs here (in Oz) won't prescribe Bzo's. And being Oz the only way in is in small amounts or seizure rates are high over 100 t&bs at a time - it gets expensive on fixed income until it gets impossible. Lots of US sources won't send to Oz.

I saw CH are back end of Feb, was looking at RBus ... in particular who has both you describe, and great rep - may be other CH on the inside. I would probably make my own solutions, otherwise d0s1ng becomes a crap shoot.

I have left out the L0r&z at times but the D1&z didn't do it for sleep. But I like to shake things up so as to stay sharp and at minimum maintenance d0$e once a week no D1&z for 2 days, and half the month .5 instead of 1 L0r&az (the pressure changes with the phases of the moon, easier around new moon, harder around full).

Forum donation is on my list, just had to get around and see first.

 

[Deleted member 58624]

Yeah pm’ing is great way to have convos secretly that may be able to provide more info than thru threads. Idk if this is directed solely at tiquan but I’ve have similar history and he knows his shit. That’s forsure. Also he’s coming off some heavy shit I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that as he openly posts about it and has tons of experience it seems in this rc world. Fluo ime is very sedative like. So if you truly are taking why your taking for sleep I agree with underwood in that sense. I was suicidally depressed for years and I too used wrong means to deal with it- attempts, m3th addiction, other adddictions, I’ve been rx’d everything it seems on the market. Currently take about 11-13 rx meds. Idc about anyone’s opinions about big pharma and how that’s unnecessary- I’m stable, not suicidal, and not currently addicted to drugs or using ANTYTHING to escape from reality. In fact been clean from my DOC for over six years.
As previously mentioned, we’re wondering if your rxd it and if it’s too expensive don’t have insurance? I know that’s private details- obviously don’t have to answer. But like what was said there some ‘affordable’ vendors out there who offer pharmacies grade. If your the type where you get really bad at night I’d say fluo, flual, broma, combo of flual/broma I honestly feel like would be advantageous to your sleep as well as fluo. You can find Mexican xans at reasonable prices if look hard enough which frankly imo is less strong than Pfizer of American xannies and closer to a lor@z3p@m feeling.

No, not solely at @tiquanunderwood I have been following his taper thread and saw an unusual openness and much experience. And as you can see above is confident in his evaluation.

I am doing as I said, just to maintain balance. No judgement on Rxing what is needed, I just don't have any affinity for the med profession, though I know a few Docs they never seem to get me and asking for anything gets you flagged, even hostile at times and that's only for L0r&z or V&l.

Not too bad at night, just .5 or 1 m&g of L0r&z does the job, the V&l covers something else. Between them the job is almost done, or at least manageable.

Well done on clean for 6 yrs. It's not easy. It's a risky world and everything is paid for one way or another.

 

[Deleted member 58624]

On dosing (volumetric) accurately, so I've got things in one place for future reference - rough guide on making solutions - https://drugbuyersguide.info/threads/bromonordiazepam-–-desalkylgidazepam.11995/post-280726 - https://drugbuyersguide.info/threads/bromonordiazepam-–-desalkylgidazepam.11995/post-280727 - https://drugbuyersguide.info/threads/bromonordiazepam-–-desalkylgidazepam.11995/post-280756 - https://volume.tripsit.me/

I understand mixing bz0s is not a great idea but right now it works for me, purely as maintenance of normality - not really interested in bz0s as recreat10nal - that would have to be something else to break from bzos. But with these other two below, whichever two it be, I will just do one at a time before trying to match them up d0se/frequency-wise.

6mags br0m0n0r to 10mags D1&z.

@tiquanunderwood How many mags of Flu0prazol@m to 1mag of Lor@z3p@m ? And would it be best dissolved in PG like Br0m0n0r?

Does this have the potential to raise tolly fast (as I read somewhere), or at all, if d0s1ng is kept at maintenance levels?

And what do you think of R1lm&z&f0ne instead of Flu0prazol@m or do you know how they compare?

I won't be buying before end of month. CH is best for successful del to my l0cati0n. I will donate to forum and might go for a trip to Saturn then, there might be others with comparable pr1c3s, or stick with RoiB... Should be able to DM you then too, mind if I have some questions then?

Don't want to make mistakes if I can help it. Need a better understanding of things I think and will read what I can on the various subjects between times.

Anyone else's input here is most welcome too.

 

[Deleted member 58624]

Good news is there’s lot of options out there- bad news is obviously you have to pay for it and take risk

Good to hear from you too mate. Not much up on other options but I'm following this track right now.

 

[RedMan39]

Good to hear from you too mate. Not much up on other options but I'm following this track right now.

Sorry I think I replied to wrong thread. And after reading this I now know you mean you don’t live in America lol I thought oz was typo for Oregon. Idk where or wtf OZ is but yeah if your not buying for a while then spend the time (as your doing) to find out as much info as possible. Fluo usually comes in doses of 2mg (I’m pretty sure only subscribed once) so tiquan would probs know better than me, but I respect how you take B3nz03s and actually should make it easier for your delivery as well as experience cuz those doses aren’t too addicting, if at all.
So now that I know your not in America obviously you can disregard my suggestion of states
You don’t have to share it here but I’d love to know what country your in, so once you donate feel free to dm me and maybe we can work on solutions in regards to doctors

 

[Deleted member 58624]

From https://drugbuyersguide.info/threads/best-benzo-rc-chem.11091/post-295707 where the sun shines, the surf rolls and we say G'd&y M8. - It's a fortress island for anything off-book so not many good options for del here.

Bzo are too dangerous to use r3cre&t1on&lly imo (what's that called, delusions of sobriety - scary, and fast creeping t0lly), having been through so many r3cre&t1on&l 'options' over 60 yrs. Don't need that s*it any more. So will look for something to use to break up the bzo train.

Gotta be practical and have some fun too, just don't know what occasional H1 to slip in between the carriages and keep it all on track. &lc0h0l seems to clash with bzo even in small amounts, so I'll look into other options.

And thanks for the invite to PM re Doc's and how to handle them all, will do when I'm paid in. Gonna do some research first, $$ here needs serious management but I'll get there. No problem, as we say in 0z.

 

[RedMan39]

From https://drugbuyersguide.info/threads/best-benzo-rc-chem.11091/post-295707 where the sun shines, the surf rolls and we say G'd&y M8. - It's a fortress island for anything off-book so not many good options for del here.

Bzo are too dangerous to use r3cre&t1on&lly imo (what's that called, delusions of sobriety - scary, and fast creeping t0lly), having been through so many r3cre&t1on&l 'options' over 60 yrs. Don't need that s*it any more. So will look for something to use to break up the bzo train.

Gotta be practical and have some fun too, just don't know what occasional H1 to slip in between the carriages and keep it all on track. &lc0h0l seems to clash with bzo even in small amounts, so I'll look into other options.

And thanks for the invite to PM re Doc's and how to handle them all, will do when I'm paid in. Gonna do some research first, $$ here needs serious management but I'll get there. No problem, as we say in 0z.

Ahhh makes sense now yeah I’ve heard about your customs bending EXTRA hard to get shit thru. Back in the day I used to watch I3rugz inc or whatever and every said Australia is really diff to import contra. Hoping you can find someone local
That’s my bad about wrong thread I just see notifications pop up and click them.
Smart move with how you look at Benz’s. Should mean one shipment will last a while=less times to risk. Also, smart bc Benz/alcohol are most dangerous to get off of. I’ve detoxed from everything and alcohol was the worst and you can’t cold turkey either without seizures

I find alcohol (in small amounts)and Bennie’s
Mix well, but I don’t really have suggestions for downers other than maybe some geehI3. Nor should I probably be giving “suggestions” about that either lol, unless you want them.. I can lol

And now that my dumbass knows where you live im def sure it’s totally diff there. Well maybe. But yeah before you pay id research it. Also if you pay you can access more vendors. But I know all too well money problems, I got 4g in debt after never having issues bc I never bought anything until December when I found this website, at the same time spending 2k here my dog was diagnosed with cancerous tumors so there goes 4gs of surgery and shit after just having spent all my “extra money”. Live mostly coach to check so I get it mate.

 

[RedMan39]

So I clicked on link then responded then realized I was on wrong thread so copied and pasted my then thought I was in wrong thread so posted so tried to delete that one but couldn’t figure out how to delete it without just reposting your shit lol. So am in right thread?!

 

[Deleted member 58624]

So I clicked on link then responded then realized I was on wrong thread so copied and pasted my then thought I was in wrong thread so posted so tried to delete that one but couldn’t figure out how to delete it without just reposting your shit lol. So am in right thread?!

Yes, this is - RC equivalents for L0r&z3p&m and D1&z3p&m?

 

[Deleted member 58624]

Ahhh makes sense now yeah I’ve heard about your customs bending EXTRA hard to get shit thru. Back in the day I used to watch I3rugz inc or whatever and every said Australia is really diff to import contra. Hoping you can find someone local
That’s my bad about wrong thread I just see notifications pop up and click them.
Smart move with how you look at Benz’s. Should mean one shipment will last a while=less times to risk. Also, smart bc Benz/alcohol are most dangerous to get off of. I’ve detoxed from everything and alcohol was the worst and you can’t cold turkey either without seizures

I find alcohol (in small amounts)and Bennie’s
Mix well, but I don’t really have suggestions for downers other than maybe some geehI3. Nor should I probably be giving “suggestions” about that either lol, unless you want them.. I can lol

And now that my dumbass knows where you live im def sure it’s totally diff there. Well maybe. But yeah before you pay id research it. Also if you pay you can access more vendors. But I know all too well money problems, I got 4g in debt after never having issues bc I never bought anything until December when I found this website, at the same time spending 2k here my dog was diagnosed with cancerous tumors so there goes 4gs of surgery and shit after just having spent all my “extra money”. Live mostly coach to check so I get it mate.

That's why I wrote that long intro 1st post, context is 90% of the story.

We don't put dogs down like we used to, hey. In a way while the world 'out there' gets further from nature, individuals (some of us) get closer. A good thing indeed.

I do enjoy a beer now and then, nothing more - I like to mix it with a freshly squeezed orange. But you probably know, the older you get the more it/anything takes out of you. But with a little luck a little wisdom also comes with age and we can tell how far to go before it's too far. And then we die anyway. What a life.

Suggestions would be appreciated, don't know geehI3 - can't make it out. I have other issues, plenty of physical pain from various 'accidents' (bent spine and crook lower back and hips, radial fracture of upper arm from recent fall that I have to sleep on and inhibits healing, f****d knee, etc - all of which I manage with exercises (sleep with L0r&z) and without any PK's) over long years that are getting worse that I take 10mags 0xee (3nd0ne) every two weeks or so to break the wall of pressure that builds. It's just the way I am, no interest in habitual use of anything that's not essential - and what's essential/habitual to some degree has to be broken up with something that ends the pain and difficulty or pressure for a day or two. That way I enjoy the gardening and walking by the water, meditation, etc for another week or so.

Many years ago I was well into L$D and loved it for years, thought I might look into tr1pt&m1nes for my occasional 'outings'. Might not suit general bzo use though. Have to do something, that's for sure, I've been too much of an explorer to ever really give it up. Just don't know what I'll shake hands with in today's situation but something appropriate always seems to present somehow - an RC PK maybe.

Anyway, time flies, 4am here. Later ...

 

[RedMan39]

Ah yes indeed. You guys gotnitntough in the outback. Yes indeed.
Hahaha that’s very very true. Learning your own boundaries is key. And yeah I pretty much tried hieroglyphics my badI meant gee h bee. So are you saying you want something solely to mix with the Bennie’s? Or something else entirely ?

Also mad respect. I myself have been clean for 7 years from m3th, I also used to be into pills in my teens but like I mentioned at beginning of convo I was suicidal in and out of treatment center since 17-24. I have to be in pain mgmt now bc of a failed back fusion that actually caused more problems, and I had ALOT of them to begin with. I’m rxd 40 mags a day of oxy myself the 10mags but try to only take 2 at most 3. As you know being in pain all the time sucks. I also take m0ph1n3 er at night and usually split the 15 (which would really be 7.5) in half. I am proud to say I cut that doses in half and stopped taking in morning too- my idea not docs he was shocked lol. Given my past history every was so worried including my self, but to be completely honest I hate how they make me feel - just tired, lethargic, slower thinking, more depressed, etc etc .

So again, given what you got going on says a lot about you. Props brother. Me personally I always have extras for my appts and take as little as I can without effecting my construction job that doesn’t help. THANK GOD going on a couple years I’ve yet to have so much as an idea to ‘get High’ from them or obsess over them or anything, just like taking my psych meds just is what it is and hasn’t lead me down a path to addiction. Never even had the mere thought of taking two

Idk about these new rc opees man, I’ve been on fent too and that’s strong stuff. Suooosedly these rc zenes are even stronger so I’d be careful if it was me. Do you get the oc’s from a doc? Looking for downers I assume?

 

[Deleted member 58624]

Something different that doesn't clash with bzos, that while I use it/them? I can drop the bzos as much as possible - different H! and sleep must happen and little or no hangover is my bottom line. Like many people have a drink at weekends, sort of thing. Just looking for that night or day or 2 off now and again, know what I mean?

Gee h Be might be the wrong kind, s3d&t1ve, don't know it. 0c's work for me right now but am down on the count with them and no known source for my location - pills don't get in here easy, and 0c is very expensive. Would love to be able to have Alexander Shulgin's tryptamines, 4 h0 m3t or such, but not sure it would work on top of bzos. Will probably have to test some. So definitely open to suggestions that I'll consider seriously and research.

No Doc. Had an operation years ago and milked the script so I have/had a few boxes of 5mag 0c's since then, slowly disappearing. Never bought any from a vendor. Will run out soon enough at 10/15mags once every 2 weeks or so now - the more time I leave between the better it is. Some of the new RC opees are def out of the park (fent, zenes, 7oh - no thanks - 0d$emt doesn't sound very nice to me) but once had m0ph1n3 for burns that I liked, trippy/dreamy I like, and was very functional on. I'm usually functional, or settled down somewhere near the garden.

Right, know your limits, so approach 'anything' with caution.

It's amazing, the more I hear about others issues how they keep going without popping the lot. But we are built to last, hey.

 

[alexbat]

The big picture, hope it's not too long a read.

Some guidance needed from experienced RC and/or Ph&rm& B3nz0 ex/users.

Looking for RC substitutes for L0r&z3p&m and D1&z3p&m that I use only to maintain a sense of normality.

I know we're talking about RC's and any suggestions would be based on anecdotal evidence/experience (which I highly value). I'm relatively new to RC's so the responsibility is all mine and I'd love to hear your experience/suggestions.

Context : I've been depressed for over 60 years, as long as I can remember. From the earliest I would self medicate with all the wrong stuff, but it had to be done - what can I say, got into the game early, just not much besides booze, gr&ss, c0k3 and L$D, and stopped it all many years ago.

Then, after more years just enduring depression rise and fall I asked the doc about anti depressants and we went through a whole series of them and nothing worked for more than a few days so I gave up on them - it was just a hammering I couldn't take any more. I also got scripted for &t1v&n for sleep (as needed) and had a a box of 5m&g V&l1um from whenever for the same, neither of which I touched until recently.

So it was back to just sucking it up - no escape, just the occasional beer - and did my exercises, developed/kept at interests/work and practiced meditation a lot.

Recently the depression came back worse and just got too much and I was overwhelmed and couldn't sleep and decided to use what works for that. .5-1m&g (depends on time of month) L0r&z3p&m to sleep and for anxiety. Found 5m&gs D1&z3p&m worked for the overwhelming emotion of the depression, both taken the same time last thing at night.

I rarely take anything during the day, only if needed, and never for recreational - I will/do other for the occasional mild recreational.

So ... Currently taking .5-1m&g L0r&z3p&m at night for sleep 6 - 8 hrs, also works well for general anxiety. I also take 5m&gs D1&z3p&m to keep negative emotion/depression from overwhelming me.

I've been doing this for 6mts and it works well enough, keeps the mental/emotional manageable, trouble is I am on a limited income and this stuff is expensive (to me) and hard to get in any quantity to my fortress island, so what I want to do is find RC substitutes for both these m3ds.

I'm thinking Br0m0n0rd1&zep&m to sub for D1&z3p&m, maybe - bc I saw @tiquanunderwood mention in his ongoing taper. But I'm not sure about subbing for L0r&z3p&m, thought maybe r1lm&z&f0ne bc I read a little about it.

Someone suggested I read up on KRM-II-81 but it made no sense to me - I was never a student - literally - but I'll look again in case something hits me.

If you can help, great. Would love to get some feedback/suggestions on this to help me find my feet with this issue.

Thanks ...

I'll be very careful with rc benzos in your place, if you can just get the legal ones with a prescription. The issue with rc benzos is that they can be incredibly dangerous and life threatening.

 

[tiquanunderwood]

Yeah the only ones that are user friendly and "worth" it right now IMO are 3thyl-br0m and desalk (br0m0n0rdi@z3pam)

 

[Deleted member 58624]

Yeah the only ones that are user friendly and "worth" it right now IMO are 3thyl-br0m and desalk (br0m0n0rdi@z3pam)

3thyl-br0m, why?

I thought the Rilmazafone was a better sub for Lorazepam. In fact the Japanese already use it as such.

 

[tiquanunderwood]

Forgot R1lm. Sorry, not perfect.

Not 3thyl-br0m for you necessarily, but if dosed appropriately it's like a short half life br0m0n0r IMO.