Seeking Legitimate Bulk Suppliers for Alprazolam and RC Benzo powders: My Experience with Scams and Clearnet Vendors

[meesarules]

For the past few months, I've been exploring both the clear web and darknet in search of reliable bulk suppliers for alprazolam powder, clonazepam powder, and other RC benzo powders. While I've compiled a long list of vendors—mostly from the clearnet—it's evident that the majority are fraudulent.

Unfortunately, I've already fallen victim to two scams, leaving me questioning whether legitimate suppliers for these chemicals even exist, whether in China or elsewhere. The fraudulent vendors often employ convincing tactics, such as offering video calls showcasing large bags of powders and crystals, or sending photos with my name printed next to the alleged product. In hindsight, these powders could have been anything. Excited to move forward with my order, I acted too quickly and paid the price for it.

A common scam involves claiming to ship the package through a fictitious courier and later demanding exorbitant fees, such as "insurance fees," "discrete packaging fees," or "customs fees," just as the package is allegedly entering my country. Despite already paying for shipping, it’s highly doubtful the package would have arrived even if I had paid these additional fees.

I'm now questioning whether I’m searching for something that doesn’t exist. Surely, legitimate suppliers for, in particular, alprazolam powder must exist, considering the number of presses and darknet market vendors selling it at significant markups.

I have identified a few clearnet vendors that seem more credible and worth investigating further, mainly due to positive Trustpilot reviews. These include:

Genlabschemicals.com: Generally high ratings on Trustpilot, but some very low ratings as well. While the high ratings could be fabricated, it raises the question—why don't all scam sites fabricate their reviews?

Chembeyond.com and Chemperfect.com: Very convincing sites. Both have strong Trustpilot ratings, but I came across a scam review site alleging that these, along with Omnicompound.com, are elaborate scams.

Syntheticchemicallab.com - Have original, convincing photos for all their products. They have provided me live videos of their products and inventory. Several other scam vendors have stolen these photos and cut out the sign and photoshopped in their own, like chinalabchemicals.com.

Teamchemists.com - This was one of the first vendors I corresponded with and it's just my gut feeling telling me they may be more legit than others.


If anyone has experience with these vendors or knows of a legitimate supplier offering the products I’m seeking in bulk at competitive prices, I’d appreciate your insights.

 

[abadon]

Hope you get some positive info and maybe you can share the love

 

[meesarules]

Nothing yet... losing all hope

 

[ClaytonWest]

Ditto, @meesarules
Thank you for sharing your experiences

YOU KNOW:

You would never ever think, that as “chemists” — with their square lifestyles & university degrees…. that these people would ever resort to scamming innocent, trusting, online indivIiduals!

When I think “chemistry degrees,” I always imagined $100,000 - $1,000,000 careers in hospitals, BIO-ENGINEERING, NASA tech, Big Pharma…. clean rooms & white lab coats environments, you know?

Times sure have changed

For the past few months, I've been exploring both the clear web and darknet in search of reliable bulk suppliers for alprazolam powder, clonazepam powder, and other RC benzo powders. While I've compiled a long list of vendors—mostly from the clearnet—it's evident that the majority are fraudulent.

Unfortunately, I've already fallen victim to two scams, leaving me questioning whether legitimate suppliers for these chemicals even exist, whether in China or elsewhere. The fraudulent vendors often employ convincing tactics, such as offering video calls showcasing large bags of powders and crystals, or sending photos with my name printed next to the alleged product. In hindsight, these powders could have been anything. Excited to move forward with my order, I acted too quickly and paid the price for it.

A common scam involves claiming to ship the package through a fictitious courier and later demanding exorbitant fees, such as "insurance fees," "discrete packaging fees," or "customs fees," just as the package is allegedly entering my country. Despite already paying for shipping, it’s highly doubtful the package would have arrived even if I had paid these additional fees.

I'm now questioning whether I’m searching for something that doesn’t exist. Surely, legitimate suppliers for, in particular, alprazolam powder must exist, considering the number of presses and darknet market vendors selling it at significant markups.

I have identified a few clearnet vendors that seem more credible and worth investigating further, mainly due to positive Trustpilot reviews. These include:

Genlabschemicals.com: Generally high ratings on Trustpilot, but some very low ratings as well. While the high ratings could be fabricated, it raises the question—why don't all scam sites fabricate their reviews?

Chembeyond.com and Chemperfect.com: Very convincing sites. Both have strong Trustpilot ratings, but I came across a scam review site alleging that these, along with Omnicompound.com, are elaborate scams.

Syntheticchemicallab.com - Have original, convincing photos for all their products. They have provided me live videos of their products and inventory. Several other scam vendors have stolen these photos and cut out the sign and photoshopped in their own, like chinalabchemicals.com.

Teamchemists.com - This was one of the first vendors I corresponded with and it's just my gut feeling telling me they may be more legit than others.


If anyone has experience with these vendors or knows of a legitimate supplier offering the products I’m seeking in bulk at competitive prices, I’d appreciate your insights.

 

[ClaytonWest]

For the past few months, I've been exploring both the clear web and darknet in search of reliable bulk suppliers for alprazolam powder, clonazepam powder, and other RC benzo powders. While I've compiled a long list of vendors—mostly from the clearnet—it's evident that the majority are fraudulent.

Unfortunately, I've already fallen victim to two scams, leaving me questioning whether legitimate suppliers for these chemicals even exist, whether in China or elsewhere. The fraudulent vendors often employ convincing tactics, such as offering video calls showcasing large bags of powders and crystals, or sending photos with my name printed next to the alleged product. In hindsight, these powders could have been anything. Excited to move forward with my order, I acted too quickly and paid the price for it.

A common scam involves claiming to ship the package through a fictitious courier and later demanding exorbitant fees, such as "insurance fees," "discrete packaging fees," or "customs fees," just as the package is allegedly entering my country. Despite already paying for shipping, it’s highly doubtful the package would have arrived even if I had paid these additional fees.

I'm now questioning whether I’m searching for something that doesn’t exist. Surely, legitimate suppliers for, in particular, alprazolam powder must exist, considering the number of presses and darknet market vendors selling it at significant markups.

I have identified a few clearnet vendors that seem more credible and worth investigating further, mainly due to positive Trustpilot reviews. These include:

Genlabschemicals.com: Generally high ratings on Trustpilot, but some very low ratings as well. While the high ratings could be fabricated, it raises the question—why don't all scam sites fabricate their reviews?

Chembeyond.com and Chemperfect.com: Very convincing sites. Both have strong Trustpilot ratings, but I came across a scam review site alleging that these, along with Omnicompound.com, are elaborate scams.

Syntheticchemicallab.com - Have original, convincing photos for all their products. They have provided me live videos of their products and inventory. Several other scam vendors have stolen these photos and cut out the sign and photoshopped in their own, like chinalabchemicals.com.

Teamchemists.com - This was one of the first vendors I corresponded with and it's just my gut feeling telling me they may be more legit than others.


If anyone has experience with these vendors or knows of a legitimate supplier offering the products I’m seeking in bulk at competitive prices, I’d appreciate your insights.

My #1 advice is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS stay away from .com websites for underground shit

99% chance: SCAMMER and/or LAW ENFORCEMENT
——————————————

Here’s my recent example:

VBLabs Chemicals - VBLabs Chemicals

Shop by Category Benzodiazepines 37 products Cannabinoids 110 products Research Chemicals 36 products Other Chemicals 5 products Dissociative 14 products Stimulants 63 products Opioids 23 products Buy Research Chemicals Online Buy Research chemicals online. VBLabs Chemicals is one of the largest...

vblabschemicals.com

… took me for $220.
It happens to the best of us, brother





** IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE — IT PROBABLY, MOST DEFINITELY, IS **

 

[meesarules]

Yeah, I can't imagine the scale of the industry of these fake RC retailers. I literally have hundreds bookmarked, and I have yet to find a single legitimate one. I wonder how much money these guys make just running a cheap website where they've stolen each other's photos.

But for example, Syntheticchemicallab.com... They have original pictures of some powder for almost all their products, as well as signs indicating they're their originals. A lot of the others have stolen these pictures and cut out the tags because they're so convincing. Are we to believe they're fake too, or can they be the 1 in 1000?

But if they're real, how come they have no reviews anywhere and seem completely unknown?

 

[xenxra]

But if they're real, how come they have no reviews anywhere and seem completely unknown?

that's usually the dead giveaway but some people are very stubborn and will still overlook/ignore it if they're desperate enough. but then again, there's also the common argument that you typically don't hear from the people who have orders land without any issue so if you really wanted to take a chance you could play devil's advocate and assume some of the shops with little to no reviews are actually the most legitimate assuming the rest of their operation checks out. personally, i tend to sit back and let someone else take the chance first. if they decide to be first taker with their entire paycheck, well that's on them. i can't count on two hands how many times i've seen people report that a "vendor" they just found out about turned out to be a scammer and then they go on to talk about how they can't pay rent with the money they lost which always kinda confused me bc even if the vendor did come through, they're still out of those funds regardless.

 

[ClaytonWest]

that's usually the dead giveaway but some people are very stubborn and will still overlook/ignore it if they're desperate enough. but then again, there's also the common argument that you typically don't hear from the people who have orders land without any issue so if you really wanted to take a chance you could play devil's advocate and assume some of the shops with little to no reviews are actually the most legitimate assuming the rest of their operation checks out. personally, i tend to sit back and let someone else take the chance first. if they decide to be first taker with their entire paycheck, well that's on them. i can't count on two hands how many times i've seen people report that a "vendor" they just found out about turned out to be a scammer and then they go on to talk about how they can't pay rent with the money they lost which always kinda confused me bc even if the vendor did come through, they're still out of those funds regardless.

Preach

 

[meesarules]

I spent months finding each of these sites, going through every single page of Google and duckduckgo as well as vendors on sites like Indiamart. I would quickly examine each site, check the eventual Trustpilot and scam adviser score and then contact the owner. My lizard-brain wished too badly for the legitimacy of such sites, each with hundreds of ads for the most mouth-watering deals of the most desirable chems, in bulk.

Examining them, almost all had unique and thorough descriptions in their ”about us”, ”shipping terms”, ”return policy” and whatever that were specific and ambitious enough to make it appear as if they for a long time had actually been running a legit business sending packages. Laying out terms about, for example, which countries they weren’t willing to ship to, strict policies regarding when refunds/reships would be applicable, not accepting certain orders, etc. Basically making you think ”if they aren’t legit, why wouldn’t they just provide the ultimately attractive terms to procure as many orders as possible?” In hindsight, I guess they put max effort into making those sections as realistic as possible due to the very fact that those restrictions do make it the operation be perceived as more legitimate.

So I went through correspondence with over 100 of these ”suppliers”, basically stating in every email: are you legit and can you prove it?”. Some were great at appearing too busy to even entertain the idea that a potential repeat bulk customer would and reasonably should want to receive some type of verification and assurance before sending over hundreds of thousands in irreversible crypto transactions. While some would act annoyed that I even had the audacity to question their authenticity, others were very cooperative.

Never once was a free sample an option, no matter how tiny, and I realized the only final way to know if they’re actual vendors, with any actual product and not just a standard shop website, would be to make a sample order costing at least $250 each, something they would underplay when suggesting I order a sample if I’m in doubt.

The wiser, more ambitious ones would always be friendly and quite compliant in providing the closest thing to proof possible. At least 2 dozen of them provided pics of my name written next to a large volume of a labeled chem, pics I would always scrutinize to see if they were photoshopped or not, but alas every time they looked as real as possible. Then they would video call me and show me their many labeled sacks of powders and crystals next to scales and shelves stocked with similar bags. They would often be wearing protective gear like masks and gloves, with various kinds of substances weighted out on a table.

I can consider the fact that in the pics, the powders next to my name could just be flour or something. Also, I later found out that the video calls through WhatsApp can also be falsified feeds. The first couple of times, this was enough to convince me to pay for a sample.

One vendor though still baffles me as he provided media evidence by long-pressing the camera icon that sends live photos and videos that apparently can’t be faked (he also ended up scamming me with the fake courier, hidden, insane fees method that appears to be standard practice. However, in some calls, the vendor would be talking to me, interacting with me and doing what I instructed, meaning at least those video calls were real. Still no product delivered a single time.

Another thing I wonder about is how they could send me multiple pictures of packages sent with legit couriers, with tracking numbers visible. These I could personally verify on the official, reputable courier website to see they had either arrived recently or were in transit. Where did they get those from and how is that possible?

I’m trying to figure out how this established hustle works and why. Are they everyday just hanging around wearing protective gear surrounded by large amounts of different substances, none actual drugs, just to run this scam? Are they legitimately shipping other products used to show me deliveries? Makes no sense.

What also puzzles me is why they would settle for scoring on the relatively small profits of the samples and fake shipping fee ( a ”refundable” fee that was always just under the amount I had paid for the sample, ranging from $200 to $600). Surely they’re in the industry and could source me with a genuine sample the first order, and then scam me on the following real order that would be orders of magnitudes larger. I made it clear we’re a large operation in which I had been given a small budget to find a reliable source, and as soon as my boss confirmed, we’d go for frequent, much larger orders. Is their whole gimmick being satisfied with the prey they trap for the sample and delivery scam profits alone?

Knowing that receiving a sample was the only way to verify they were more than just a shitty website, I made several simultaneous sample orders. I’m deeply ashamed that my assumption that at least one of them had to be legitimate and my eagerness to start working on my new formulations led me to the loss of several thousand dollars that I really needed for actual chems necessary to develop and establish a new line of products, a pet project I had begged my boss for.

What's interesting is most of these cookie-cutter sites have zero presence or reviews on Trustpilot, while by some random selecting factor, a fair portion have very bad reviews advising to stay away. I assumed the reviews on Trustpilot were somehow secure or every fake vendor would flood themselves with positive reviews and there would be no 1-star fake vendors.

Then there are sites like chembeyond and chemperfect, with the nearly perfect assortment of chems for me at low prices, that have much more convincing websites as well as solely great reviews on Trustpilot, although all made within a month while the vendors allegedly have been operating for many years. I was hoping to fall back on them in case I didn’t find alp and clonazepam but then I see a review on scamadviser for a completely different website that was: ”stay away, well-executed and convincing scam just like chembeyond, chemperfect, and omnicompounds”.

So I don’t get it, are Trustpilot reviews reliable or not? Either they aren’t and there should be plenty of fake 5-star reviews for the other hundreds of scam sites, or the scam sites with solely bad reviews should be able to post a bunch of positive ones for themselves.

I wish I had at least ordered a sample from chembeyond/perfect before I wasted the majority of my budget. Now I don’t dare. In fact, I first heard of chembeyond in a thread on DBG, talking about how they’ve watched them grow over the past 4-5 years because they’re so good. Although their products are listed as blog posts with dates ranging back to before 2020, they’re not established as either verified or blacklisted anywhere. Their domain also wasn’t registered that long ago.

Looking at their alleged fantastic inventory and prices, I would have thought they’d be well-known and been cleared or blacklisted by now. At least mentioned anywhere.

Does anyone here, who hasn’t already been robbed of almost their whole budget, dare make a sample purchase from chembeyond or chemperfect to see?

Finally there are genlabschemicals and teamchemists which again seem impossible to evaluate without a purchase. Genlabschemicals has gotten over 22 reviews on Trustpilot, most of them excellent and yet the 6-7 reviews that state they’re a 1-star scam can’t be ignored as that makes it less believable the positive ones are valid. Teamchemists also has a bunch of reasons speaking for it being legitimate that I’ve made this post too long for to go through, yet absolutely no reviews anywhere.


Ok I promise, last one: dark-net-market DOT com. This site is likely Eastern European with an insane range of products, like guns. Their website has a lot speaking for that they’re legit but the most convincing is their guy I talked to that first thing provided a pic of my name next to a big bag labeled bromazolam as soon as I asked for proof. It’s actually their photo for bromazolam now, so go check it out and tell me that’s photoshop. While again, I understand that the premise of an operational, clearnet site like that being legitimate is crazy, the guy even agreed to let me pay through PayPal goods and services, so I have protection, as long as it’s for minimum $20k.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. If only I had spent my budget trying out these last 6 vendors I mentioned as they’re killing my curiosity. Or if only I had been wiser and less impulsive before wasting my budget so early at all… tbh tho I spent 5-6 weeks going through all these sites before I sent a single dollar.

 

[bigblueallda]

I spent months finding each of these sites, going through every single page of Google and duckduckgo as well as vendors on sites like Indiamart. I would quickly examine each site, check the eventual Trustpilot and scam adviser score and then contact the owner. My lizard-brain wished too badly for the legitimacy of such sites, each with hundreds of ads for the most mouth-watering deals of the most desirable chems, in bulk.

Examining them, almost all had unique and thorough descriptions in their ”about us”, ”shipping terms”, ”return policy” and whatever that were specific and ambitious enough to make it appear as if they for a long time had actually been running a legit business sending packages. Laying out terms about, for example, which countries they weren’t willing to ship to, strict policies regarding when refunds/reships would be applicable, not accepting certain orders, etc. Basically making you think ”if they aren’t legit, why wouldn’t they just provide the ultimately attractive terms to procure as many orders as possible?” In hindsight, I guess they put max effort into making those sections as realistic as possible due to the very fact that those restrictions do make it the operation be perceived as more legitimate.

So I went through correspondence with over 100 of these ”suppliers”, basically stating in every email: are you legit and can you prove it?”. Some were great at appearing too busy to even entertain the idea that a potential repeat bulk customer would and reasonably should want to receive some type of verification and assurance before sending over hundreds of thousands in irreversible crypto transactions. While some would act annoyed that I even had the audacity to question their authenticity, others were very cooperative.

Never once was a free sample an option, no matter how tiny, and I realized the only final way to know if they’re actual vendors, with any actual product and not just a standard shop website, would be to make a sample order costing at least $250 each, something they would underplay when suggesting I order a sample if I’m in doubt.

The wiser, more ambitious ones would always be friendly and quite compliant in providing the closest thing to proof possible. At least 2 dozen of them provided pics of my name written next to a large volume of a labeled chem, pics I would always scrutinize to see if they were photoshopped or not, but alas every time they looked as real as possible. Then they would video call me and show me their many labeled sacks of powders and crystals next to scales and shelves stocked with similar bags. They would often be wearing protective gear like masks and gloves, with various kinds of substances weighted out on a table.

I can consider the fact that in the pics, the powders next to my name could just be flour or something. Also, I later found out that the video calls through WhatsApp can also be falsified feeds. The first couple of times, this was enough to convince me to pay for a sample.

One vendor though still baffles me as he provided media evidence by long-pressing the camera icon that sends live photos and videos that apparently can’t be faked (he also ended up scamming me with the fake courier, hidden, insane fees method that appears to be standard practice. However, in some calls, the vendor would be talking to me, interacting with me and doing what I instructed, meaning at least those video calls were real. Still no product delivered a single time.

Another thing I wonder about is how they could send me multiple pictures of packages sent with legit couriers, with tracking numbers visible. These I could personally verify on the official, reputable courier website to see they had either arrived recently or were in transit. Where did they get those from and how is that possible?

I’m trying to figure out how this established hustle works and why. Are they everyday just hanging around wearing protective gear surrounded by large amounts of different substances, none actual drugs, just to run this scam? Are they legitimately shipping other products used to show me deliveries? Makes no sense.

What also puzzles me is why they would settle for scoring on the relatively small profits of the samples and fake shipping fee ( a ”refundable” fee that was always just under the amount I had paid for the sample, ranging from $200 to $600). Surely they’re in the industry and could source me with a genuine sample the first order, and then scam me on the following real order that would be orders of magnitudes larger. I made it clear we’re a large operation in which I had been given a small budget to find a reliable source, and as soon as my boss confirmed, we’d go for frequent, much larger orders. Is their whole gimmick being satisfied with the prey they trap for the sample and delivery scam profits alone?

Knowing that receiving a sample was the only way to verify they were more than just a shitty website, I made several simultaneous sample orders. I’m deeply ashamed that my assumption that at least one of them had to be legitimate and my eagerness to start working on my new formulations led me to the loss of several thousand dollars that I really needed for actual chems necessary to develop and establish a new line of products, a pet project I had begged my boss for.

What's interesting is most of these cookie-cutter sites have zero presence or reviews on Trustpilot, while by some random selecting factor, a fair portion have very bad reviews advising to stay away. I assumed the reviews on Trustpilot were somehow secure or every fake vendor would flood themselves with positive reviews and there would be no 1-star fake vendors.

Then there are sites like chembeyond and chemperfect, with the nearly perfect assortment of chems for me at low prices, that have much more convincing websites as well as solely great reviews on Trustpilot, although all made within a month while the vendors allegedly have been operating for many years. I was hoping to fall back on them in case I didn’t find alp and clonazepam but then I see a review on scamadviser for a completely different website that was: ”stay away, well-executed and convincing scam just like chembeyond, chemperfect, and omnicompounds”.

So I don’t get it, are Trustpilot reviews reliable or not? Either they aren’t and there should be plenty of fake 5-star reviews for the other hundreds of scam sites, or the scam sites with solely bad reviews should be able to post a bunch of positive ones for themselves.

I wish I had at least ordered a sample from chembeyond/perfect before I wasted the majority of my budget. Now I don’t dare. In fact, I first heard of chembeyond in a thread on DBG, talking about how they’ve watched them grow over the past 4-5 years because they’re so good. Although their products are listed as blog posts with dates ranging back to before 2020, they’re not established as either verified or blacklisted anywhere. Their domain also wasn’t registered that long ago.

Looking at their alleged fantastic inventory and prices, I would have thought they’d be well-known and been cleared or blacklisted by now. At least mentioned anywhere.

Does anyone here, who hasn’t already been robbed of almost their whole budget, dare make a sample purchase from chembeyond or chemperfect to see?

Finally there are genlabschemicals and teamchemists which again seem impossible to evaluate without a purchase. Genlabschemicals has gotten over 22 reviews on Trustpilot, most of them excellent and yet the 6-7 reviews that state they’re a 1-star scam can’t be ignored as that makes it less believable the positive ones are valid. Teamchemists also has a bunch of reasons speaking for it being legitimate that I’ve made this post too long for to go through, yet absolutely no reviews anywhere.


T

Anyway, sorry for the long post. If only I had spent my budget trying out these last 6 vendors I mentioned as they’re killing my curiosity. Or if only I had been wiser and less impulsive before wasting my budget so early at all… tbh tho I spent 5-6 weeks going through all these sites before I sent a single dollar.

What everyone else is saying the .com websites you are finding through google and duckduckgo are more than likely scams. Trustpilot reviews are often faked or schills. If you notice most of the legit vendors don't have any reviews on trustpilot. I wouldn't even use trustpilot to identify an RC vendor. They have vendors here that are legitimate if you read through the pages in the forum. After a while you can sort of tell if the websites are scams. The genlabschemicals looks like a scam definitely. I mean they are offering hardcore non rc's on the clearnet. When I searched for teamchemists on google out of the first 3 results, 2 of them are sites saying it is probably a scam. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

 

[ClaytonWest]

I spent months finding each of these sites, going through every single page of Google and duckduckgo as well as vendors on sites like Indiamart. I would quickly examine each site, check the eventual Trustpilot and scam adviser score and then contact the owner. My lizard-brain wished too badly for the legitimacy of such sites, each with hundreds of ads for the most mouth-watering deals of the most desirable chems, in bulk.

Examining them, almost all had unique and thorough descriptions in their ”about us”, ”shipping terms”, ”return policy” and whatever that were specific and ambitious enough to make it appear as if they for a long time had actually been running a legit business sending packages. Laying out terms about, for example, which countries they weren’t willing to ship to, strict policies regarding when refunds/reships would be applicable, not accepting certain orders, etc. Basically making you think ”if they aren’t legit, why wouldn’t they just provide the ultimately attractive terms to procure as many orders as possible?” In hindsight, I guess they put max effort into making those sections as realistic as possible due to the very fact that those restrictions do make it the operation be perceived as more legitimate.

So I went through correspondence with over 100 of these ”suppliers”, basically stating in every email: are you legit and can you prove it?”. Some were great at appearing too busy to even entertain the idea that a potential repeat bulk customer would and reasonably should want to receive some type of verification and assurance before sending over hundreds of thousands in irreversible crypto transactions. While some would act annoyed that I even had the audacity to question their authenticity, others were very cooperative.

Never once was a free sample an option, no matter how tiny, and I realized the only final way to know if they’re actual vendors, with any actual product and not just a standard shop website, would be to make a sample order costing at least $250 each, something they would underplay when suggesting I order a sample if I’m in doubt.

The wiser, more ambitious ones would always be friendly and quite compliant in providing the closest thing to proof possible. At least 2 dozen of them provided pics of my name written next to a large volume of a labeled chem, pics I would always scrutinize to see if they were photoshopped or not, but alas every time they looked as real as possible. Then they would video call me and show me their many labeled sacks of powders and crystals next to scales and shelves stocked with similar bags. They would often be wearing protective gear like masks and gloves, with various kinds of substances weighted out on a table.

I can consider the fact that in the pics, the powders next to my name could just be flour or something. Also, I later found out that the video calls through WhatsApp can also be falsified feeds. The first couple of times, this was enough to convince me to pay for a sample.

One vendor though still baffles me as he provided media evidence by long-pressing the camera icon that sends live photos and videos that apparently can’t be faked (he also ended up scamming me with the fake courier, hidden, insane fees method that appears to be standard practice. However, in some calls, the vendor would be talking to me, interacting with me and doing what I instructed, meaning at least those video calls were real. Still no product delivered a single time.

Another thing I wonder about is how they could send me multiple pictures of packages sent with legit couriers, with tracking numbers visible. These I could personally verify on the official, reputable courier website to see they had either arrived recently or were in transit. Where did they get those from and how is that possible?

I’m trying to figure out how this established hustle works and why. Are they everyday just hanging around wearing protective gear surrounded by large amounts of different substances, none actual drugs, just to run this scam? Are they legitimately shipping other products used to show me deliveries? Makes no sense.

What also puzzles me is why they would settle for scoring on the relatively small profits of the samples and fake shipping fee ( a ”refundable” fee that was always just under the amount I had paid for the sample, ranging from $200 to $600). Surely they’re in the industry and could source me with a genuine sample the first order, and then scam me on the following real order that would be orders of magnitudes larger. I made it clear we’re a large operation in which I had been given a small budget to find a reliable source, and as soon as my boss confirmed, we’d go for frequent, much larger orders. Is their whole gimmick being satisfied with the prey they trap for the sample and delivery scam profits alone?

Knowing that receiving a sample was the only way to verify they were more than just a shitty website, I made several simultaneous sample orders. I’m deeply ashamed that my assumption that at least one of them had to be legitimate and my eagerness to start working on my new formulations led me to the loss of several thousand dollars that I really needed for actual chems necessary to develop and establish a new line of products, a pet project I had begged my boss for.

What's interesting is most of these cookie-cutter sites have zero presence or reviews on Trustpilot, while by some random selecting factor, a fair portion have very bad reviews advising to stay away. I assumed the reviews on Trustpilot were somehow secure or every fake vendor would flood themselves with positive reviews and there would be no 1-star fake vendors.

Then there are sites like chembeyond and chemperfect, with the nearly perfect assortment of chems for me at low prices, that have much more convincing websites as well as solely great reviews on Trustpilot, although all made within a month while the vendors allegedly have been operating for many years. I was hoping to fall back on them in case I didn’t find alp and clonazepam but then I see a review on scamadviser for a completely different website that was: ”stay away, well-executed and convincing scam just like chembeyond, chemperfect, and omnicompounds”.

So I don’t get it, are Trustpilot reviews reliable or not? Either they aren’t and there should be plenty of fake 5-star reviews for the other hundreds of scam sites, or the scam sites with solely bad reviews should be able to post a bunch of positive ones for themselves.

I wish I had at least ordered a sample from chembeyond/perfect before I wasted the majority of my budget. Now I don’t dare. In fact, I first heard of chembeyond in a thread on DBG, talking about how they’ve watched them grow over the past 4-5 years because they’re so good. Although their products are listed as blog posts with dates ranging back to before 2020, they’re not established as either verified or blacklisted anywhere. Their domain also wasn’t registered that long ago.

Looking at their alleged fantastic inventory and prices, I would have thought they’d be well-known and been cleared or blacklisted by now. At least mentioned anywhere.

Does anyone here, who hasn’t already been robbed of almost their whole budget, dare make a sample purchase from chembeyond or chemperfect to see?

Finally there are genlabschemicals and teamchemists which again seem impossible to evaluate without a purchase. Genlabschemicals has gotten over 22 reviews on Trustpilot, most of them excellent and yet the 6-7 reviews that state they’re a 1-star scam can’t be ignored as that makes it less believable the positive ones are valid. Teamchemists also has a bunch of reasons speaking for it being legitimate that I’ve made this post too long for to go through, yet absolutely no reviews anywhere.


Ok I promise, last one: dark-net-market DOT com. This site is likely Eastern European with an insane range of products, like guns. Their website has a lot speaking for that they’re legit but the most convincing is their guy I talked to that first thing provided a pic of my name next to a big bag labeled bromazolam as soon as I asked for proof. It’s actually their photo for bromazolam now, so go check it out and tell me that’s photoshop. While again, I understand that the premise of an operational, clearnet site like that being legitimate is crazy, the guy even agreed to let me pay through PayPal goods and services, so I have protection, as long as it’s for minimum $20k.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. If only I had spent my budget trying out these last 6 vendors I mentioned as they’re killing my curiosity. Or if only I had been wiser and less impulsive before wasting my budget so early at all… tbh tho I spent 5-6 weeks going through all these sites before I sent a single dollar.

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[ClaytonWest]

I spent months finding each of these sites, going through every single page of Google and duckduckgo as well as vendors on sites like Indiamart. I would quickly examine each site, check the eventual Trustpilot and scam adviser score and then contact the owner. My lizard-brain wished too badly for the legitimacy of such sites, each with hundreds of ads for the most mouth-watering deals of the most desirable chems, in bulk.

Examining them, almost all had unique and thorough descriptions in their ”about us”, ”shipping terms”, ”return policy” and whatever that were specific and ambitious enough to make it appear as if they for a long time had actually been running a legit business sending packages. Laying out terms about, for example, which countries they weren’t willing to ship to, strict policies regarding when refunds/reships would be applicable, not accepting certain orders, etc. Basically making you think ”if they aren’t legit, why wouldn’t they just provide the ultimately attractive terms to procure as many orders as possible?” In hindsight, I guess they put max effort into making those sections as realistic as possible due to the very fact that those restrictions do make it the operation be perceived as more legitimate.

So I went through correspondence with over 100 of these ”suppliers”, basically stating in every email: are you legit and can you prove it?”. Some were great at appearing too busy to even entertain the idea that a potential repeat bulk customer would and reasonably should want to receive some type of verification and assurance before sending over hundreds of thousands in irreversible crypto transactions. While some would act annoyed that I even had the audacity to question their authenticity, others were very cooperative.

Never once was a free sample an option, no matter how tiny, and I realized the only final way to know if they’re actual vendors, with any actual product and not just a standard shop website, would be to make a sample order costing at least $250 each, something they would underplay when suggesting I order a sample if I’m in doubt.

The wiser, more ambitious ones would always be friendly and quite compliant in providing the closest thing to proof possible. At least 2 dozen of them provided pics of my name written next to a large volume of a labeled chem, pics I would always scrutinize to see if they were photoshopped or not, but alas every time they looked as real as possible. Then they would video call me and show me their many labeled sacks of powders and crystals next to scales and shelves stocked with similar bags. They would often be wearing protective gear like masks and gloves, with various kinds of substances weighted out on a table.

I can consider the fact that in the pics, the powders next to my name could just be flour or something. Also, I later found out that the video calls through WhatsApp can also be falsified feeds. The first couple of times, this was enough to convince me to pay for a sample.

One vendor though still baffles me as he provided media evidence by long-pressing the camera icon that sends live photos and videos that apparently can’t be faked (he also ended up scamming me with the fake courier, hidden, insane fees method that appears to be standard practice. However, in some calls, the vendor would be talking to me, interacting with me and doing what I instructed, meaning at least those video calls were real. Still no product delivered a single time.

Another thing I wonder about is how they could send me multiple pictures of packages sent with legit couriers, with tracking numbers visible. These I could personally verify on the official, reputable courier website to see they had either arrived recently or were in transit. Where did they get those from and how is that possible?

I’m trying to figure out how this established hustle works and why. Are they everyday just hanging around wearing protective gear surrounded by large amounts of different substances, none actual drugs, just to run this scam? Are they legitimately shipping other products used to show me deliveries? Makes no sense.

What also puzzles me is why they would settle for scoring on the relatively small profits of the samples and fake shipping fee ( a ”refundable” fee that was always just under the amount I had paid for the sample, ranging from $200 to $600). Surely they’re in the industry and could source me with a genuine sample the first order, and then scam me on the following real order that would be orders of magnitudes larger. I made it clear we’re a large operation in which I had been given a small budget to find a reliable source, and as soon as my boss confirmed, we’d go for frequent, much larger orders. Is their whole gimmick being satisfied with the prey they trap for the sample and delivery scam profits alone?

Knowing that receiving a sample was the only way to verify they were more than just a shitty website, I made several simultaneous sample orders. I’m deeply ashamed that my assumption that at least one of them had to be legitimate and my eagerness to start working on my new formulations led me to the loss of several thousand dollars that I really needed for actual chems necessary to develop and establish a new line of products, a pet project I had begged my boss for.

What's interesting is most of these cookie-cutter sites have zero presence or reviews on Trustpilot, while by some random selecting factor, a fair portion have very bad reviews advising to stay away. I assumed the reviews on Trustpilot were somehow secure or every fake vendor would flood themselves with positive reviews and there would be no 1-star fake vendors.

Then there are sites like chembeyond and chemperfect, with the nearly perfect assortment of chems for me at low prices, that have much more convincing websites as well as solely great reviews on Trustpilot, although all made within a month while the vendors allegedly have been operating for many years. I was hoping to fall back on them in case I didn’t find alp and clonazepam but then I see a review on scamadviser for a completely different website that was: ”stay away, well-executed and convincing scam just like chembeyond, chemperfect, and omnicompounds”.

So I don’t get it, are Trustpilot reviews reliable or not? Either they aren’t and there should be plenty of fake 5-star reviews for the other hundreds of scam sites, or the scam sites with solely bad reviews should be able to post a bunch of positive ones for themselves.

I wish I had at least ordered a sample from chembeyond/perfect before I wasted the majority of my budget. Now I don’t dare. In fact, I first heard of chembeyond in a thread on DBG, talking about how they’ve watched them grow over the past 4-5 years because they’re so good. Although their products are listed as blog posts with dates ranging back to before 2020, they’re not established as either verified or blacklisted anywhere. Their domain also wasn’t registered that long ago.

Looking at their alleged fantastic inventory and prices, I would have thought they’d be well-known and been cleared or blacklisted by now. At least mentioned anywhere.

Does anyone here, who hasn’t already been robbed of almost their whole budget, dare make a sample purchase from chembeyond or chemperfect to see?

Finally there are genlabschemicals and teamchemists which again seem impossible to evaluate without a purchase. Genlabschemicals has gotten over 22 reviews on Trustpilot, most of them excellent and yet the 6-7 reviews that state they’re a 1-star scam can’t be ignored as that makes it less believable the positive ones are valid. Teamchemists also has a bunch of reasons speaking for it being legitimate that I’ve made this post too long for to go through, yet absolutely no reviews anywhere.


Ok I promise, last one: dark-net-market DOT com. This site is likely Eastern European with an insane range of products, like guns. Their website has a lot speaking for that they’re legit but the most convincing is their guy I talked to that first thing provided a pic of my name next to a big bag labeled bromazolam as soon as I asked for proof. It’s actually their photo for bromazolam now, so go check it out and tell me that’s photoshop. While again, I understand that the premise of an operational, clearnet site like that being legitimate is crazy, the guy even agreed to let me pay through PayPal goods and services, so I have protection, as long as it’s for minimum $20k.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. If only I had spent my budget trying out these last 6 vendors I mentioned as they’re killing my curiosity. Or if only I had been wiser and less impulsive before wasting my budget so early at all… tbh tho I spent 5-6 weeks going through all these sites before I sent a single dollar.

Thank you sincerely for your homework, sacrifice, time, and your A+ research



I’m guessing (ultimately) — that your online science project was extra extra well-thought out; ; and obviously super not easy to find


Very well done, good sir
Thank you for sharing

PS: Please add this scammer to your list

vblabschemicals@gmail.com​

 

[meesarules]

Thank you sincerely for your homework, sacrifice, time, and your A+ research



I’m guessing (ultimately) — that your online science project was extra extra well-thought out; ; and obviously super not easy to find


Very well done, good sir
Thank you for sharing

PS: Please add this scammer to your list

vblabschemicals@gmail.com​

Thank you for your appreciation.

Tbh, it was more of an obsession. Having being a drug user infused in my DNA actually made the process of finding each site super rewarding. I would wake up and look forward to going through 100s of listings of every drug imaginable. I've bookmarked every site I've come across, something in the hundreds, and yet I haven't found them all, as I occasionally come across a novel one.

 

[Gracie5]

Please feel free to share scam sites. However, you are breaking forum rules if you share non-forum sites as viable choices. This rule exists to keep people from promoting what could be scams.
Thank you for your tips. Those are very useful for all sites.

 

[Soiled]

Please feel free to share scam sites. However, you are breaking forum rules if you share non-forum sites as viable choices. This rule exists to keep people from promoting what could be scams.
Thank you for your tips. Those are very useful for all sites.

Can I ask about mods here? Like is TGC good to go? This website is supposed to alleviate OPs problem? I’m new here, can I trust the mods, can I trust the vendor list?

 

[Deepnorth]

Can I ask about mods here? Like is TGC good to go? This website is supposed to alleviate OPs problem? I’m new here, can I trust the mods, can I trust the vendor list?

Trust the mods. Read the articles on vendors. We practice strong reviews. Read them and u will be ok.

 

[Gingerdog]

For the past few months, I've been exploring both the clear web and darknet in search of reliable bulk suppliers for alprazolam powder, clonazepam powder, and other RC benzo powders. While I've compiled a long list of vendors—mostly from the clearnet—it's evident that the majority are fraudulent.

Unfortunately, I've already fallen victim to two scams, leaving me questioning whether legitimate suppliers for these chemicals even exist, whether in China or elsewhere. The fraudulent vendors often employ convincing tactics, such as offering video calls showcasing large bags of powders and crystals, or sending photos with my name printed next to the alleged product. In hindsight, these powders could have been anything. Excited to move forward with my order, I acted too quickly and paid the price for it.

A common scam involves claiming to ship the package through a fictitious courier and later demanding exorbitant fees, such as "insurance fees," "discrete packaging fees," or "customs fees," just as the package is allegedly entering my country. Despite already paying for shipping, it’s highly doubtful the package would have arrived even if I had paid these additional fees.

I'm now questioning whether I’m searching for something that doesn’t exist. Surely, legitimate suppliers for, in particular, alprazolam powder must exist, considering the number of presses and darknet market vendors selling it at significant markups.

I have identified a few clearnet vendors that seem more credible and worth investigating further, mainly due to positive Trustpilot reviews. These include:

Genlabschemicals.com: Generally high ratings on Trustpilot, but some very low ratings as well. While the high ratings could be fabricated, it raises the question—why don't all scam sites fabricate their reviews?

Chembeyond.com and Chemperfect.com: Very convincing sites. Both have strong Trustpilot ratings, but I came across a scam review site alleging that these, along with Omnicompound.com, are elaborate scams.

Syntheticchemicallab.com - Have original, convincing photos for all their products. They have provided me live videos of their products and inventory. Several other scam vendors have stolen these photos and cut out the sign and photoshopped in their own, like chinalabchemicals.com.

Teamchemists.com - This was one of the first vendors I corresponded with and it's just my gut feeling telling me they may be more legit than others.


If anyone has experience with these vendors or knows of a legitimate supplier offering the products I’m seeking in bulk at competitive prices, I’d appreciate your insights.

I've never heard of any of those vendors except teamchemists and Omni. Legit labs are super expensive which reflects another replies opinion of chemists as straight wealthy doctors. The scammers copy sites, even each others. The ones with mixed reviews? Read carefully. The good ones have bad English and often make no sense considering product and consumer. They should read like any good review, of any good vendor , on here They go on about customer service, use words like - kindly, good service etc. never mention product quality , etc. I think we've all been scammed. I had 1 who sounded American, using words like Dude, bro, I got you covered, etc .
Until next day, when I saw 10 emails."You would best be diligent to reply."" Is not good business" he wanted more money."lab said to upper it 200". It happens. Watch out for too much back and forth prior to buying or them asking you questions like, what's your budget, then what's your tolerance like. In retrospect, he was getting on my nerves with emails but I took was impatient and tired of looking. But I have 2 for sure.
Here's my recommendations:
#1 - Try Groot (Grootplayer) on here first. I don't think I can give his info but you're a sponsor. I don't remember if his real menu is on his site, but he'll get it to you asap. Even if you don't see what you want, ask him. He's honest and quick and more than fair. I didn't like a product once, he offered to refund me immediately. I said I'd rather look at his menu for something else. 2 days later, without asking I received a different version. Day later, 10 more of another!
#2 - I just got sr17018 on riftchems nothing but RCs. 1st order was iffy but I think they were making changes. 2nd over 4th of July ordered Thursday received Monday. 1 price shipping, no overnight, no haggling. Pay BTC on site, confirmed in minutes on your account. He has odsmt (tramadol analog)? Benzos
There's a few other good ones like chems dot CA but only dissociatives. They have hundreds of 5 star reviews on trustpilot. Same with a Canada chemist, Syntharise dot com. His site is legal and legit has his name all over it with his bank payment stuff. He doesn't do BTC but another. He's the chemist so he constantly creates new recipes that aren't banned! I've spent days reading his menu and googling what these things are, and still not to end. Omg,there's a cokeacola analog! He has so many variants. Only kind he can't sell to US due to a law against any analogs or variants are orvinals. There's tons of others. Tons.
Like you, I've been looking at teamchemists. When I saw them months ago, I figured scam because their site had reviews. Then only a few, ALL were asking to order. Nothing else. Now 6 months later. A bunch of same but with replies that they, company, emailed order info to the email the person used. Oddly, I don't see where anyone did and wanted to review product or transit time. Weird. Or I'm only looking at limited products. And, most of us don't leave good reviews after we're taken care of. We're only likely to complain. That's a fact of human behavior. We review when angry. There used to be a teamchems. I saw on trustpilot. But if you look at the good reviews, they're all in a week! By people who've only ever left that 1 review! ( Look for those who've done other reviews on different things. )After the bad ones! It's good to see that stuff to know what to watch out for. Worse, 1 scammer leaves bad reviews on another's listing like a customer, along with a phone number for _______, a reliable vendor , that they were so lucky to find after being scammed by _____. I found riftchems on Reddit. By a guy who's been on there a lot, in multiple conversation topics. He left a very detailed review under a page about reliable RC vendors. Stay away from PM referrals. I thought maybe you couldn't put the good or bad websites on conversation because many say to pm. Even though that's what the thread is supposed to be about - reliable vendors and those to avoid. But my stuff hasn't been deleted so that's not true.
I hope this helps others and sorry I couldn't be more helpful
Tell Groot or rift Gingerdog said Hi.

 

[jason1974]

For the past few months, I've been exploring both the clear web and darknet in search of reliable bulk suppliers for alprazolam powder, clonazepam powder, and other RC benzo powders. While I've compiled a long list of vendors—mostly from the clearnet—it's evident that the majority are fraudulent.

Unfortunately, I've already fallen victim to two scams, leaving me questioning whether legitimate suppliers for these chemicals even exist, whether in China or elsewhere. The fraudulent vendors often employ convincing tactics, such as offering video calls showcasing large bags of powders and crystals, or sending photos with my name printed next to the alleged product. In hindsight, these powders could have been anything. Excited to move forward with my order, I acted too quickly and paid the price for it.

A common scam involves claiming to ship the package through a fictitious courier and later demanding exorbitant fees, such as "insurance fees," "discrete packaging fees," or "customs fees," just as the package is allegedly entering my country. Despite already paying for shipping, it’s highly doubtful the package would have arrived even if I had paid these additional fees.

I'm now questioning whether I’m searching for something that doesn’t exist. Surely, legitimate suppliers for, in particular, alprazolam powder must exist, considering the number of presses and darknet market vendors selling it at significant markups.

I have identified a few clearnet vendors that seem more credible and worth investigating further, mainly due to positive Trustpilot reviews. These include:

Genlabschemicals.com: Generally high ratings on Trustpilot, but some very low ratings as well. While the high ratings could be fabricated, it raises the question—why don't all scam sites fabricate their reviews?

Chembeyond.com and Chemperfect.com: Very convincing sites. Both have strong Trustpilot ratings, but I came across a scam review site alleging that these, along with Omnicompound.com, are elaborate scams.

Syntheticchemicallab.com - Have original, convincing photos for all their products. They have provided me live videos of their products and inventory. Several other scam vendors have stolen these photos and cut out the sign and photoshopped in their own, like chinalabchemicals.com.

Teamchemists.com - This was one of the first vendors I corresponded with and it's just my gut feeling telling me they may be more legit than others.


If anyone has experience with these vendors or knows of a legitimate supplier offering the products I’m seeking in bulk at competitive prices, I’d appreciate your insights.

You sound like you are not doing your homework. On the dn there is a forum called Dread that is like Reddit. The info is laird out in a list of verified vendors. This site also provides that. I use longflourishpharm.com and have been happy. I use them for psychedelics but have a gram of their bretazenil as a sample. I'm afraid to take benzos due to my history with addiction but they are a legit source. Big Jack Chen is their sister company. On the clearnet overwhelmingly the companies are rip offs and you are doing something wrong. Usually their are obvious signs of this. Dint be to eager and believe what you want. You should have confirmation from multiple sources before you send any money. For the first sale, buy the minimum. With Chinese wholesalers you have ti spend over 100$ but with legit CA companies you should be able to but 35$ worth of something, just to see if they are legit.