Klonopin Or Valium?

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blissopifree 2 said:
Kal I had no idea about kpins not showing up in a drug test as I know zopiclone doesn't but never knew about the kpins.Thanks so much for that info as I'm deffo in trouble when I see my pain doc after the newyear as that will be 4 dirty samples outa 4 in a row!.

What's the other name for kpins again clonazepam or Ativan or something totally different as I'm in the UK and it's called something else In the states I'm sure?.

Peace

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Clonaz3pam is the generic or chemical name, l0razep@m is @tivan is a totally different benz0. I've taken many drug screens for work & my Dr so when I was ready to explain I take kpin for sleep it would never show up. So I g00gled it and BAM everyone's asking the same question, it has something to do with how kpin is excreted from your liver extremely quick & kpins contain a different metabolite. Which is why it won't show up on urine tests. Kpin produces a different metabolite then other benz0s. All benz0s contain a metabolite called desmethyldiazepam which kpins don't have and which drug screens happen to test for. <We all call drugs by the same chemical or generic names but the brand names in our countries differ I'm pretty sure @blissopifree 2>

 
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Thanks Kal I appreciate your help i Googled it and found exactly what you say,they are supposed to be biatch to get off like all benzoes,but it's very handy to keep in mind...... roche clonazapam 2mg or auden mckenzie 2mg and they're quite a cheap med compared to some others and long acting I think?

Peace 

Bliss......

 
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No choice Klonopin/Rivotril is far more effective than Diaz(0.5mg=10mg Diaz but differ in effect) even though I love it. I combine them though with another benzo included to get the effect I need for my ailments.

Rivali

                                    Half life    

                                     Hours


Clonazepam
(Klonopin, Rivotril)5



18-50



Diazepam
(Valium)



20-100 [36-200]



Alprazolam
(Xanax, Xanor, Tafil)



6-12





Flurazepam
(Dalmane)



[40-250]



Rivali


 
I love Klono ?. Got Rivatril in liquid form 2.5 mg. with an RX in Europe for $2.00 Euros. I want to go back just for that. Oh and Lexapro in liquid. Just give me everything in liquid!!

 
I honestly can't tell much difference between one benzo to another (except the ones intended for sleep.), they feel more similar than different for me. Clon and diaz feel especially similar, because they are both longer acting than many. But I am definately vally girl :)  

 
That's a tough one! I think I would have to go wiTh Valerie thoufh. Much more calming effects.

 
I love my vals, they are so subtle and sexy, but when you just want to put the society hammer down and not give a F!(@ clonazepam all the way. I really get my money's worth but valium is my favorite benzo if you put aside the fact a threshold recreational dose is at least 30mg, whereas 4mg of Kpins will toast my marshmallows.

 
Its been over a year since Ive had a xanax. They were my favorite. Took them heavy for about a year..wasnt good. If you dont need them for legit its best to leave them alone. Mostly I spent my time on them crying, falling down, sleeping then crying some more. I dont know why, my neighbor takes them alot and she's chill and cool as fuck all the time on them. Then again; I can take amphetamines all day and get shit done to a T. She takes one addy and is spinning around, lost in her own little world accomplishing nothing. What works for one I guess.. :)

If anyone I loved needed or wanted to start taking a benzo; I would advise them to first against it but if they are going to anyway -to go with V's. Just makes better sense to me.

 
Hi girlgerms I totally agree with your opinion on alp they can get outa hand REAL quick!!.

Diaz can also of course but they are more easy on you unless your "gubbing" handfuls at a time.One thing tho alp is fine once twice even three times a week otherwise they become REALLY habit forming and more and more is needed to get the feeling your after.All BNZs are like this so carefully does it as dependance creeps up before you even know it's an issue!!!.

Peace 

Bliss....

 
kris1982 said:
I think kpins after I have taken them for a few days and are in my system keep my anxiety levels lower throughout the day. But if I feel a panic attack coming one isnt going to help for a while. Letiing a dizzy melt under my toungue will take stop the panic attack within 10 minutes and I get a better euphoria from them. Also dizzys make me less groggy
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Didn't know putting it under your toungue makes it work faster. Does it wear off quick?

I normally wash them down with a warm drink. That works quick compared to a glass of water I find.

 
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Didn't know putting it under your toungue makes it work faster. Does it wear off quick?

I normally wash them down with a warm drink. That works quick compared to a glass of water I find.
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They won't even go into solution, it takes 2ml of Ethanol (I know this for a fact) to get 10mg of Diazepam into solution.  There is no way a persons saliva (lipid profile be damned) can dissolve non soluble benzos.  The taste and feeling of it being in your mouth are a placebo affect that make it seem to  hit faster.  You are simply imagining what you know is coming.  If anybody can offer any science that sublingual benzos work I'm all ears.  I know they make a sublingual/effervescent ativan but I believe that is just so you can take it without water, like MD Etizolam.

 
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jimbojones said:
They won't even go into solution, it takes 2ml of Ethanol (I know this for a fact) to get 10mg of Diazepam into solution.  There is no way a persons saliva (lipid profile be damned) can dissolve non soluble benzos.  The taste and feeling of it being in your mouth are a placebo affect that make it seem to  hit faster.  You are simply imagining what you know is coming.  If anybody can offer any science that sublingual benzos work I'm all ears.  I know they make a sublingual ativan but I believe that is just so you can take it without water, like MD Etizolam.
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I fought that. Its not like taking a suby sublingauly , where you end up with a mouth full of saliva when taking an a 8mg and swallow. 

 
It's maybe a myth  but I was told that there are many (reseptors) under the tongue and it's just a habit ive gotten into.Not saying it makes even 1% of difference but it's just I like the taste of dizzys especially,so no harm done as far as I can tell??.

Peace 

Bliss.....

 
I feel the same way about sublingual.  It's probably a psychological thing but I always do it if the anxiety is coming on fast and it seems to help.

 
I never really experience euphoria from anti-anxiety drugs. I certainly prefer kpins to anything else though. I suffer from pretty bad anxiety and those allow me to be quite comfortable most of the days that it gets bad.

 
2earls said:
I only use benzos to relax at night if I'm particularly stressed. I alternate between vals zans and klons.

I like the feeling I get from the zans the best but I sleep the best with val. I think it's because she lasts so long. Even though I like all of them, I don't have any desire to use them other than when needed. Guess it's lucky because I usually get addicted to everything.
I find doing the same thing more effective. especially between the Clons and Vals.  Xanies for sleep at night.. val and clons  rotate for stress free day.  Super stress days are bad..
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For any anxiety issues, xan works best, then clonaz, then dpam in my experience. But for me with xan it's very tempting to take more than I actually need as it gives me euphoric feelings where the others don't. So for that reason I'd recommend clonz.

 
@tiv@n for a lovely,  but brief feeling of relaxation,  quite like brom@z -  not sure why and really good nitr@z.

V@ls over kpins.  Pins don't have an effect on me. 

 
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