Oh wow. I found these guys on a Facebook ad. Was an active member of their telegram community, then the discord server, then the element chat. I'm the one who recommended them to the forum here. I've spent thousands of dollars with them, and never had a bad experience. But I will admit that they can be surprisingly rude, dismissive, and ego filled, especially for a psychedelic church, where you'd imagine they'd have more compassion and understanding and be humble. They got worse over time it appears. I know they have a huge operation that provides vapes and more to dozens of churches across the country. I've seen videos of their industrial scale production line, it is quite impressive, but ultimately irrelevant if not reliable to receive sacrament or offer remediation in event of issue. I get that they probably get scammed regularly, and POS try to take advantage of them, but that's no excuse to become bitter and assume that everyone is dishonest and trying to get over on them. I'm disappointed.