Opiate/opiode Potentiators

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Man, how did I miss this post from over a year ago! I get the Aleve and other stuff but to original poster: I am awash in real, grapefruit trees (live in land of milk and honey). Would the purer form of grapefruit juice potentiate even more so?? I've heard these connections over the years about being "cautious" with grapefruit having effects on one's pharmaceuticals.  Nonetheless, who doesnt need to extend PK properties, or breakthrough tolerance from time to time esp. with added "blockages" with SSRI's.....

thanks for the efforts shown here; this forum is awesome!

 
cant believe no ones mentioned MJ.....way better potentiator than anything else IMO. There are published studies out there supporting this but Im lazy and not gonna look em up

 
Yes it is - but too difficult to quickly and quietly ingest for someone "lazy" like myself /default_smile.png plus, risk of drug testing might be a concern for some of us unlucky folks.

 
cant believe no ones mentioned MJ.....way better potentiator than anything else IMO. There are published studies out there supporting this but Im lazy and not gonna look em up
Hey MMike, I didn't realize this and thanks for posting it, I will see if I can find some information on this.
My experience has been that the timing of the MJ and and taking an opiate makes a difference. I rarely use mmj until an hour or two after taking a bean and that works well for me. Using mmj at the same time is nice too but for me it seems to lessen the feeling I normally get from the bean. However, doing both at the same time makes the mmj buzz feel very good /default_smile.png.

I found a couple of links while I could still edit the post so I added them. It does seem that when combined the two togeather offer better pain relief.

http://www.enn.com/health/article/43672

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22880540

 
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Cool thread. After benzo and PK combos though I doubt that the mild OTC stuff as epk suggests at the top of this thread would work, or am I wrong? 

I always fish around some of the more hard-core forums and on one of other sites the the #2 potentiator is benz0s, the#1 was is just more opds. Ha. (I guess you had to be there.)

 
Hey MMike, I didn't realize this and thanks for posting it, I will see if I can find some information on this.

My experience has been that the timing of the MJ and and taking an opiate makes a difference. I rarely use mmj until an hour or two after taking a bean and that works well for me. Using mmj at the same time is nice too but for me it seems to lessen the feeling I normally get from the bean. However, doing both at the same time makes the mmj buzz feel very good /default_smile.png.

I found a couple of links while I could still edit the post so I added them. It does seem that when combined the two togeather offer better pain relief.

http://www.enn.com/health/article/43672

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22880540
thanks smokey

 
Cyclizine (bonine for kids but now discontinuted), promethazine(avomine) , hydroxzyzine (atarax, vistaril), tagamet & GFJ (Ive herad OJ too) cept with codeine. Quinine/quininidine from tonic water - quinine syrup mixer like tomrs tonic, tums right before you take em orally, dph at last resort for itches, rather have meclicizine (dramamine II) and dramamine than DPH - DXM and magnesium for tolerance, proglumide I believe 

 
Recently been doing Tums and not noticing a difference. However, I've been using naprosen (generic Aleve) couple times per week and it does seem to make it last (high drow coh doone) a bit longer!! Sure wish I could find a few rare and special BLUEBLUE high drough tens, though, they've been discontinued in US I think due to APAP level.

 
I love those blues and also the good old green watts. I know a vendor that just may be able to still get them. I inquired about that specific thing and they are pretty sure they have in stock. Whoa! Man! A half of 1 of those with half of a 600 ibupro is not only pain disappear its a very long lastin euphorgazm!....lmao.........edited to enter correct letter..... ;-)

 
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That's whats SO awesome...even HALF of one PINK really seemed to hit quick and last well.  Green and blue candy - I may have to PM you for info IF there's still enough to go around, that is /default_smile.png

 
Lately I've been getting super crazy itching from high doses. It's not so bad with anything that is ER, but any method of intake that is speedy makes me itch like f'cking crazy. I heard ben-adryl works for the itching when taken B4 hand, plus acts as potentiator. Has anyone ever tried that? I'll have result myself by the this weekend as I test it out.

Or how about the itch? I never used to have it so bad. It just started a few days ago. I had rub myself down with gold bond menthol powder and even that did nothing. Moved onto icy hot. A bit better but all I could do was wait it out. It was very sucky. 

 
@BTOX....have u added a new item to the mix? Just asking cuz now that I supplment my highdrough with dee ayche sea I'm getting minor itchies also...yeah I've read benadryl helps but that sh$% knocks me OUT and makes me incapable of working, even housework, for hours. But if u have had it before you should be ok with it....and I haven't had it in about 10 yearz so maybe they've changed it to add decongest properties (like pseudoephindrine) which would be stimulating (ie, "non drowsy formula"

 
C. Boosting Opiates with Cytochrome P450 Inhibitors And Other Metabolism Issues

1. A dose of Tagamet an hour before a hydr0/oxy session will make the drug last longer and have a better effect. Antacids should be taken at least 45 minutes after the Tagamet otherwise absorption of the Tagamet will be impaired. Grapefruit juice also has the same type of impact on liver enzymes; use a Maalox chaser to neutralise any systemic acidification effect from the grapefruit juice. Tagamet should not be taken with codeine because it impairs the metabolism into morphine necessary for it to have any real effect.

2. Quinine and quinidine accentuate the buzz of opiates but only directly help with codeine metabolism by boosting the amount changed into morphine. The prescription antihistamine promethazine (Phenergan) helps out codeine even more, and is found with codin the Schedule V cough syrp Phenergan VC With Codein. Quinine will tend to have its effect without impairing hydr0but does seem to burn off the buzz more quickly and may flatten the dose-to-response curve.

3. With all this liver magic going on and the acetaminophen content of a number of the drugs in question, the concurrent use of any alcohol at all with any of these mixtures should be thoroughly researched ahead of time. For example, washing down 5 Perc0 with a vodka gimlet is not a good idea even if you have a massive tolerance to the narctic. Also in many people moderate to large amounts of alcohol can change the subjective nature of the high for the worse and bring on sleep before the user intends. Anything more than 20 ml pure alcohol equivalent is likely to create trouble.

D. Mixtures of Narcotics With Other Substances

Note: Several other drugs are discussed under the headings below; if you do not see one you are looking for, use the find function on your reader to see if it is in the document.

1. Orphenadrine Citrate (Banflex, Norflex, Norgesic) -- This muscle relaxant works by much the same mechanism as scopolamine and the ethanolamine antihistamines and by itself is a mild euphoriant, although this euphoria is mainly appreciated by experienced anticholinergic users. Orphenadrine has many of the same systemic effects as cyclobenzaprine but tends to metabolise more quickly. It can be used, by itself or with a standard dose of a strong antihistamine like diphenhydramine, to enhance the euphoria of both codeine and hydrocodone to equal extents, and it is assumed 0xy as well. A full dose of orphenadrine should be taken with an 80% dose of nrcotic; if available, a half-dose of scopolamine, or 75 mg of diphenhydramine, provides a massive boost to the above mixture. Alcohol in low to moderate amounts does tend to increase the overall euphoria but should be added in small amounts after the full effect of the two or three other drugs is known.

2. Cyclobenzaprine (Flexeril) -- This muscle relaxant is generally a rotten medication but does have some impact on opiates and is a crucial ingredient in a late-afternoon snack involving Tylenol With Codn. The user prepares for the set by taking a 200 mg caffeine tablet and an antacid and then about 30 minutes later taking a naproxen tablet, a effective dose of Tylenol (or aspirin or ibuprofen) with Codn and the Cyclobenzaprine. If taken on an otherwise empty stomach the feeling of euphoria rapidly overtakes the user.

Cyclobenzaprine is a tricyclic and the usual interaction warnings apply. Vic0dn had been substituted for codn with less success and it is assumed 0xy preparations will have a similar effect. Alcohol will cause stomach problems if consumed with this mixture. In general, Cyclobenzaprine has been found to steepen the dose-to-response curve of codeine but have a negligible impact on other opiates, and mixes very poorly with many synthetics such as Darv0n.

3. benz0diazepines -- This drug and other benz0diazepine tranquillrzs have the effect of making codn, 0xy and especially hydr0 highs cosier and preventing the insomnia that moderate to high narcotic doses can cause. A full therapeutic dose of the benzodiazepine should be taken with a dose of the narcts starting at 70% of the usual. Alcohol must not be consumed with benz0 tranqrz under any circumstances. Not only does alcohol in low doses spoil the positive effects of the drug, but practically all benzodiazepine-related deaths have something to do with alcohol. It is assumed that o0y, paregoric, and 0pum doses should be started even lower if taken with benz0.

4. Meprobamate (Miltown) -- This sedative-hypnotic can be used to boost codeine pain pills into a much higher level of euphoria, and along with quinine the combination can approach the intensity of morphn. However, Meprobamate spoils a hydr-0 high by making it harsher although the onset is more intense. A usual therapeutic dose of 200-600 mg of Meprobamate combined with 60% of the usual narc0n dose is a good place to start, with booster doses of opiate following no sooner than an hour later. Alcohol of any type should not be combined with these.

5. Barbs & Other Depressants -- The only research I or others have done with barbiturates has involved the use of low doses of hydrocodone to lift the hangover remaining after the primary effects had worn off. It is assumed that practically nothing in the realm of narcotics, depressants, or anticholinergics can be safely mixed with barbs at any dose. Non-barbs sedative-hypnotics have lesser but still significant dangers and concomitant dosing should not be attempted unless one has a good deal of experience with the effects of the sedative by itself. A therapeutic dose of methyprylon (Noludar) combined with 60 mg of codeine significantly strengthened both. Another piperidine-derived drug reportedly sold with codn for concurrent use, glutethemide (Doriden), could not be obtained and is apparently no longer manufactured for US distribution. The depressant ethchlorvynol (Placidyl) is similar in many respects to barbs.

Unconfirmed reports of a half dose of codn cough syrup taking the rough edge of the recommended hypnotic dose of Chloral Hydrate have circulated, and codeine has the same effect on downer hangover that it does on alcohol hangover.

6. Promethazine (Phenergan) Phenergan VC With Codn Cough Syrup is a pleasant night time substance which can be enhanced with the green-label Alka Seltzer Night-Time Cold Medicine or diphenhydramine. See notes under metabolic enhancers - this drug theoretically will burn off a hydr0/0xy buzz faster while increasing sedation.

7. Trazadone -- Effects are somewhat similar to cyclobenzaprine, both of which cannot be taken if the user has been taking MAO inhibitors in the last two weeks. Trazadone's anticholinergic activity is much less than Cyclobenzaprine and Trazadone has a horrible side effect profile including priapism or impotence and so forth.

8. Belladonna Alkaloids - These three alkaloids, scopolamine, hyoscyamine and atropine are used as antispasmodics and anticholinergics and have indirect additive effects on natural and semi-synthetic opiates when taken by mouth. The belladonna-paregoric mixture Donnagel PG has a crazy rushing high to it when taken at 150% of the therapeutic dose. Similar effects have resulted with combining the therapeutic dose with normal doses of codeine and dihydrocodeine.

Of the alkaloids considered singly, therapeutic doses of scopolamine help out the opiates, hyoscyamine theoretically would have no direct impact, and atropine has variable antagonist activity, and its impact on opiates generally is a wash with the exception of some synthetics, which it directly wipes out. Diphenhydramine is basically synthetic scopolamine, the anti-parkinsonism agent Trihexyphenidyl (Artane) is an atropine equivalent that does not appear to have the opiate-antagonist properties of atropine, and chlorpheniramine has many atropine-like effects (and a very similar dose-to-response curve) with no known 0piate--antagonist activity. In all cases starting with the therapeutic dose of both the opiate and the anticholinergic are recommended, with increases in the anticholinergic needing to be capped at double the therapeutic dosage. In contrast to the belladonna alkaloids, the mentioned antihistamines have negligible gastro-intestinal effects, and Artane is closer to the antihistamines than atropine in this regard.

9. Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) -- This antihistamine increases the effects of opiates more or less evenly across the board, and the effect seems to be similar for all natural and semi-synthetic opiates. A normal dose of the opiate can be taken with 25 to 75 mg of diphenhydramine. This mixture should be taken with a bronchodialator/decongestant because diphenhydramine is also a cough suppressant. The green label version of Alka Seltzer cold medicine contains a sufficient dose of decongestant and sodium bicarbonate (which slows metabolism). If the diphenhydramine product contains alcohol, the loading dose of the opiate should be reduced by 30% and the any booster doses should be taken no sooner than an hour afterwards.

Those who take larger doses of antihistamines or other anticholinergics for the euphoriant properties should not take 0piates along with them; needless to say, the mixing of opiates with the much higher deliriant doses of anticholinergics can be assumed to invariably have catastrophic effects because of the combination of respiratory depression and thickening of bronchial secretions caused by these drugs. It is assumed that any dose of diphenhydramine above 125 mg cannot be safely mixed with any quantity of opiate.

10. Dimenhydrinate -- Basically a pro-drug of diphenhydramine, see that section, doses are a 2:1 ratio.

11. Phenyltoloxamine Citrate - This is an antihistamine found in "enhanced pain relievers" available over-the-counter and has effects midway between brompheniramine and orphenadrine. It will make the euphoria of hydrocodone warmer and have a similar impact on codeine and dihydrocodn. A normal dose of the opiate can be combined with up to 175% of the therapeutic dose of the phenyltoloxamine product (beware of total acetaminophen consumption) to start with.

12. Doxylamine Succinate -- This antihistamine is the active ingredient in NyQuil and some over-the-counter sleeping pills. Its sedative effects are similar to diphenhydramine and it has about 65-75% of the anticholinergic strength. It works nicely with codeine and about as well with hydr0. A normal dose of the opiate can be combined with a therapeutic dose of the doxylamine product to start out with, unless the doxylamine product contains a large amount of alcohol, in which case the opiate should be divided between a 70% dose initially and the other 30% no less than 30 minutes later with booster doses done at the usual interval but equal to or more than of the usual size.

13. Brompheniramine Maleate (Dimetapp) - This antihistamine is a drowsier version of Chlor-Trimeton which adds directly to most of the effects of opiates, with its contribution to codeine being the most significant. More than one person has reported a feeling of exhilaration similar to 150 mg of codeine when taking Dimetapp with 25 mg of hydrocodone. The sedative effect of brompheniramine is about 80% that of diphenhydramine with 75-80% of the anticholinergic potency. At therapeutic doses of brompheniramine the normal dose of the opiate can be taken; with anything above twice that (max should be four times) the initial dose of the opiate should be reduced by 20-35% and booster doses started no sooner than 45 minutes later, and then, at least initially, smaller than usual. Any brompheniramine product being used with opiates which contains alcohol should be taken at no more than 150% of the therapeutic dose with an initial dose of the opiate reduced by 25%.

14. Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide - Therapeutic doses of dextromethorphan tend to smooth out a codeine buzz and add calmness to the buzz of hydrocodone, -0-xy, and dihydrocodn. Anything above this amount may not be a good idea because of the respiratory effects. Dextromethorphan is technically an opioid in the same chemical class as Levo-Dromoran, without a lot of the same effects, of course.

15. Meclizine (Dramamine II) - This is effective at reducing the nausea of opiates in a lot of people and at therapeutic doses will cause some across-the-board increase in the effects of opiates (about 35% that of diphenhydramine) and has been demonstrated to steepen or move out the dose-to-response curve of opiates, hydrocodone particularly. The antihistamines cyclizine (Marezine) and tripelennamine (PBZ, Pelamine) also have similar effects. The latter is a strong anticholinergic and was famous for being mixed with pentazocine (Talwin) back in the old days before they started mixing it with N-ar=can. All of these can be taken in the therapeutic doses along with the normal dose of the 0p=iate=.

16. Clemastine (Tavist) - This is an antihistamine in the same chemical class as diphenhydramine with a much longer half-life and about 55% of the sedative strength and 30% of the anticholinergic potency. The antihistamine triprolidine (Actifed) is a shorter acting antihistamine of the same type, albeit in another chemical category, that has stronger anticholinergic effects, about 60% those of diphenhydramine. Tavist is better ranked with Allegra and Claritin as being good medicines for pre-empting the itchies, although it has a similar effect to meclizine in compounding the effects of opiates, 35-45% that of diphenhydramine. These can be taken in the therapeutic doses along with the normal dose of the opiate.

17. NyQuil (Doxylamine & Dextromethorphan + other items) - See the dextromethorphan and doxylamine sections for details on how these act separately. This mixture is a good potentiator of practically all narc-0s and has a particularly pleasing impact on hydrocodone. Because of the alcohol content, a therapeutic dose of NyQuil should be taken with an initial opiate dose reduced by 25% if it is the only item added or 25-45% if a third agent (the best are ONE of the following at one time): 
a.Orphenadrine, therapeutic dose, best with any
b.Chlorpheniramine, therapeutic dose, best with codin
c.Diazpam, no more than 50% of the therapeutic dose with a 5mg maximum, somewhat better with hydr-0. In this case, the dose of NyQuil should also be cut by 25%, as well as basically halving the initial opiate dose and then taking the other half about 45 minutes later, and no more alcohol consumed in any form.

18. Valerian - This is a good agent for dealing with insomnia at the end of an opiate session but really doesn't do much for the opiate. Chamomile tea has similar effects.

19. St. John's Wort - This has seemed to help some of the stimulant effects of 0piate's, codein in particular, along. The difference varies quite a bit from person to person, and the fact that St. John's Wort is reportedly a soft Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor should be considered when getting ready to mix things.

20. Sljivovica (100 proof plum brandy) - Of the alcoholic beverages, this was the best to mix with opiates, although no more than about > of an ounce should be used by those with no tolerance, and probably not that much more for others. It had an across-the-board impact on codeine but tended to harshen hydr0 and 0-xy buzzes. In matters other than flavour and ae=sthetic, vodka is interchangeable with this beverage.

21. Gin - The same 15-20 ml pure-alcohol equivalent limit applies for this, and it's negative effects on the hydrocodone and oxycodone buzzes seemed to be somewhat greater than vodka, Sljivovica, and pure reagent-grade ethanol (thus it can be assumed Everclear)

22. White Wine: The co-generics present in wine make it an all or nothing thing as far as how well it mixes with opiates. Red wine will generally be worse. For a lot of people it won't be an improvement. The same goes for beer and a lot of whiskey.

23. Naproxen (Aleve): This non-steroidal anti-inflammatory will increase the analgesia of all opiates and can add some warmth to a hydrocodone buzz.

It is very tough on the digestive system when taken on an empty stomach. 24. Multi-Narcotic Mixtures: The natural and semi-synthetic opiates by themselves steepen the dose-to-response curve of other opiates of the same class. Whether this is the most efficient use of them depends on one's supply situation.

25. Chlorpheniramine (Chlor-Trimeton) - This antihistamine with about 60% of the anticholinergic strength and less than a quarter of the sedative activity of diphenhydramine markedly increases the exhilaration of codeine. Both are taken at the normal dosages, and mixtures of chlorpheniramine and phenylpropanolamine (Ornade etc) seem to work even better. The mixture can in turn be mixed with a normal dose of orphenadrine for an enhanced body buzz. The effects of chlorpheniramine seem to go on independent of a hydrocodone buzz without much in the way of enhancement, subjective change, or metabolic changes.

26. Loperamide (Immodium): This drug is related to meperidine/pethidine (Dem0rlnot cross the blood-brain barrier in sufficient quantities to cause euphoria. However, the consumption of doses of 150-300% of the therapeutic dose when mixed with high doses of codin or meprobamate have been reported to produce a weak Darv0n-like buzz aside from the effects of the other drug

 
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Nobody has mentioned the booty bump. Ha, never tried it but some swear by it. I could see this being problematic for several obvious reasons.

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Ive also heard that the grapefruit juice thing will work as well as with benzos, or tagament works even better for opiate potentiation

 
DHC?

I've used google to look up what this is.  However, that doesn't mean much unless I have something to compare it to.  Does anyone from the U.S. have another type of opiate that they could compare this to?  I know most American opiates and have tried the majority of them.  Just looking for a good comparison.  Thanks for your time.

Much Love,

--FM--

 
Finally tried the dextromethorphan ( cough medicine) and it DID make 5mgs hydrough feel like 10mgs, but didn't last much longer before it felt regular. I took 30mgs dex and took hidraugh about 30 mins later. Local dollar store had dex 15mg 8 pills fo a dollar so it was worth trying. Made me a little bit more giddy and wasn't as clean of a high but great for bedtime and inexpensive.

 
Promethazine, or Atarax (Hydroxyzine) seem to do well /default_smile.png

 
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