Ploop

[zero]

I want to try this guy out, or do you guys think it's smarter to wait until dankenone gets this resolved?

I hate decisions like this.

When I used the SY vendors (the mex forum) I always had some rules I played by - 1) never get in on a Monday (u never know what happened on a weekend), 2) if orders are delaying/not shipping, wait until they start coming through, 3) if there are issues, wait another day, 4) never check the TN unless it's late (then role the dice if you want to use your IP, or a TOR / anon-proxy - which might or might not be hot/watched/under-ongoing-investigation).

I broke every one of them.

 

[Heisenberg / HNB]

What's with the "don't check your tracking number" posts I've been reading lately? Are people getting that paranoid, that they're afraid to check the tracking number?

 

[Jewbacca]

What's with the "don't check your tracking number" posts I've been reading lately? Are people getting that paranoid, that they're afraid to check the tracking number?

I was curious about the logic behind that myself. If in fact LE had compromised the TN system, and was fishing for your IP address in an attempt to locate you, wouldn't it be easier to just wait until the package arrived in town and then execute a controlled delivery? From a legal perspective, I don't see the quid pro quo in connecting an individual to the checking of a TN. Hell, my own mother called me a few weeks ago and asked if I would check a UPS TN for her, as she didn't know how to do it. She had ordered some clothing items, but say she had ordered from an IOP. The act of checking the TN on my part in no way implicates me in anything, as an accessory or otherwise.

 

[zero]

My logic behind it is -

1. Plausible deniability.

The less there is to tie your IP to the transaction, the better you are.

If the package ends up being in a controlled delivery type situation (because the vendor got popped, or a package with the same shipper/return address/shipping account was turned over to the police by a mom who's son ordered X, etc), you are going to have a hard time proving in court that you knew nothing about it. They will subpoena USPS for the server access records of your IP. It will show that your IP address accessed USPS' website and posted the TN #.

2. If you use a proxy service to check the TN, that proxy service might be already involved in an ongoing LEO operation (drugs, CP, terrorism, etc). This could inadvertently cause a seizure of that package.

3. Tracking is not 100% accurate, can sometimes be delayed, and might not have been entered into the system correctly. It's not healthy to worry about it until you need to.

 

[Dkaramazov]

Yeah, it doesn't make sense regarding the TN, there are millions of people checking tracking everyday from all over the world.

 

[Jewbacca]

My logic behind it is -

1. Plausible deniability.

The less there is to tie your IP to the transaction, the better you are.

If the package ends up being in a controlled delivery type situation (because the vendor got popped, or a package with the same shipper/return address/shipping account was turned over to the police by a mom who's son ordered X, etc), you are going to have a hard time proving in court that you knew nothing about it. They will subpoena USPS for the server access records of your IP. It will show that your IP address accessed USPS' website and posted the TN #.

2. If you use a proxy service to check the TN, that proxy service might be already involved in an ongoing LEO operation (drugs, CP, terrorism, etc). This could inadvertently cause a seizure of that package.

3. Tracking is not 100% accurate, can sometimes be delayed, and might not have been entered into the system correctly. It's not healthy to worry about it until you need to.

Actually, you do make a sound legal point regarding plausible deniability under the described circumstances. That presumes, of course, that no trace of one's identity / IP has been left during the payment process, which is where investigatory efforts tend to gravitate quickly. Again though, all things being equal, you do make a valid argument. Well done and quite thorough intellectually Zero.

 

[DGSB0708]

There is another point here too.  The number of times a tracking number is checked can be monitored.  If someone bangs a TN a bunch of times in a short period, it may be flagged by CBP (if international) or USPS if in EUA.  May place the package at a higher risk for enhanced scrutiny and inspection.  Just a though.  S-

 

[geocat]

Hey Dankone, You ordered on saturday so Ploop did not really get order until yesterday. I would assume you will receive TN today. He probably won't have the TN until late afternoon  when it is issued by the carrier. If you don't receve by tonight I would send him a email and nicely ask what status is on your order. Ploop has never shipped to me the same day he received the order, It take him at least one full day to process. Good luck.

Chef

 Chef. Heisenb and chewy,

you are all correct. Don't frigging worry about check a TN, there' only 350 million people in the country!!!!!!! I

I have checked some like 25 times in my younger less calm times and have never had a LE problem for 10 years now. A few Customs seizures but that is  completely a different story..

Chef you are right - don't order on a week end. He takes it off and doesn't do anything until Monday -Express or not. Sat the PO is only open 10 to 12 (2 HOURS) and closed on Sunday. So never place an order on the weekend except late Sunday night so he will get it early, for him, first thing Monday morning and will most likely be shipped on the Monday.

 

[dankenone]

 Chef. Heisenb and chewy,

you are all correct. Don't frigging worry about check a TN, there' only 350 million people in the country!!!!!!! I

I have checked some like 25 times in my younger less calm times and have never had a LE problem for 10 years now. A few Customs seizures but that is  completely a different story..

Chef you are right - don't order on a week end. He takes it off and doesn't do anything until Monday -Express or not. Sat the PO is only open 10 to 12 (2 HOURS) and closed on Sunday. So never place an order on the weekend except late Sunday night so he will get it early, for him, first thing Monday morning and will most likely be shipped on the Monday.

I was informed that things didn't go as planned for some reason (pm if anyone wants more info) but I did finally get a TN.  But things aren't scheduled to arrive until Thursday and I did pay for overnight. What can you do, I can't dwell on things I have no control over.  There are supposed to be a few extras on board to make it up a little bit.  

 

[freesmok]

I have barely been on in a min but Iv tryin to get my feet wet a little.....ssoooooooI read thru alot of posts and its kinda hard to follow on here lol......is the next day option pretty on point??

 

[geocat]

I was informed that things didn't go as planned for some reason (pm if anyone wants more info) but I did finally get a TN.  But things aren't scheduled to arrive until Thursday and I did pay for overnight. What can you do, I can't dwell on things I have no control over.  There are supposed to be a few extras on board to make it up a little bit.  

Jut email him back. Be nice and ask for the difference between Express and Priority or  wait and take his word for it that  he will put a few extra in to make up for it he will. I know what the problem was and it' been resolved now.

 

[dankenone]

Jut email him back. Be nice and ask for the difference between Express and Priority or  wait and take his word for it that  he will put a few extra in to make up for it he will. I know what the problem was and it' been resolved now.

Yeah I did.. Things are moving, just got to be patient.  Patience is a virtue needed in this game and I hate that I have little of it hah.. Thanks geo.

 

[dankenone]

received

 

[SwedishChef1977]

Has ne one had luck with this vendor ..about to take a Ploop plunge for a trial order a little expensive but if his guaranteed 48 hrs is legit so worth a good source. .been chatting 4 like a week trying 2 feel it out ....tks Zonkedup. Plz respond

 

[Denise]

I believe his thread is located under "Email Vendors" .

Quite a few posts have been made about 'Ploop' - his product and service, which should answer your questions about this vendor.

 

[Jewbacca]

Indeed Denise. I'll leave this thread until morning, and will then remove it. Zonk, please post any questions you may have about Ploop in his existing thread, which is fairly well established. Thanks, and best of luck.

 

[SwedishChef1977]

Sorry did not see him in vendor z so u can remove I have his email n contact but throughout a good few friend's. ...Sorry I read good posts just wanted other info...u can remove topic Sorry Zonkedup.....

 

[Jewbacca]

Sorry did not see him in vendor z so u can remove I have his email n contact but throughout a good few friend's. ...Sorry I read good posts just wanted other info...u can remove topic Sorry Zonkedup.....

No sweat my man. It's all good!

 

[Denise]

What's with the "don't check your tracking number" posts I've been reading lately? Are people getting that paranoid, that they're afraid to check the tracking number?

For me it has nothing to do with anyone but me - If I ck TN's early I tend to get obsessed with them, continually cking before there's even been time for it to move or be updated, etc.

I just find that I am more relaxed, less paranoid, (time doesn't "slow down" like with a 'watched pot') if I don't ck the TN - unless it's late.  Then I ck it and notify the vendor I didn't receive as was supposed to do, see if vendor knows of any problems that would delay it.

That's just me. 

 

[Denise]

Sorry did not see him in vendor z so u can remove I have his email n contact but throughout a good few friend's. ...Sorry I read good posts just wanted other info...u can remove topic Sorry Zonkedup.....

His thread has a different name from him.  You would have to go thru many email vendors to find him at "Email Vendors".  So don't feel bad.

I've found threads here often have great, unexpected posts - They may be a bit off-topic occasionally, but full of info and humor.   It's a good idea, when you can, to skim thru all the threads here.  IMHO

Good luck.