ROA for MXPCP, 2-FXiPr, 3,4-MD-PCP?

[tudeniso]

Hello, just wondering what the recommended ROA for each of these newer disso chems would be. I'm guessing oral for MXPCP and 3,4-MD-PCP, as I have heard varyingly that they are caustic. Never had any caustic chems before (worst thing I ever snorted was 2CB for example) so not sure what to do with all of that. As for 2-FXiPr, is it viable IN or rectally? Orally? I can't really tell, it seems like people are snorting it but I do want to maximize the small amount I'll have. Thank you for any advice or suggestions feel free to talk about your experiences with these dissos in general too

 

[Gulp2788]

It's fine to snuff mx and 2fx I've found. They are less caustic than O-PC but it's good to flush your rats sinuses after an hour or so though just to reduce inflammation (this really goes for anything you put into their sinuses whether it is "caustic" or not). My rats didn't have too much trouble with that ROA and actually found it to be more bioavailable in that route. Rectal is the other method I found helpful but I think bioavailability is reduced upon that route so you end up using more to get the same effect in your rats. Oral is always the safest route but again nasally seems most effective. I don't IV or IM my rats but I would imagine that's most effective but I would caution against it as we have no idea the kind of damage it could cause to their systems that way. If you are willing to test these methods I would stick with IM as IV is likely to anesthetize your rats or potential accidental euthanasia them. We don't know the LD50 and I'm not willing to sacrifice my rats to determine it I love the little buggers. That being said I have pushed the doses quite high and have determined that the effective dose is very low compared to anything dangerous so just use common sense to preserve the lives of your rats.

My rats particularly like 2fx it's a shame it's so expensive and the effective dose is quite high.

 

[tudeniso]

Thank you so much! Like you said, there ended up being no issues with the nose beyond the usual stuff when you're doing something a bit harsher IN. Didnt try any other ROAs as it was basically a complete success from the start, was very cool. Did notice that it causes some watery drip that actually was running down the face rather than down the throat, which was burning the skin around the upper lip / philtrum area, so Im recommending those trying it to have a bit of vaseline or barrier cream in that area and on the lower outsides of the nostrils just so theres some protection and then any drip can just be patted and dried with a piece of tissue or something. And honestly agreed about the dose and price thing, quite awesome and super unique (both of these were, ended up mixing which was kind of dumb bc, didnt get a sense of each individually as much). Will be getting some 3,4 soon so I will update then for a report on that as well

 

[Gulp2788]

I've found that my rats like mixing them tbh, it's probably not good for them but the Opi-like effects of 2fx go very well with the stimulating effects of mx. I used to mix 0-pcharliep and MX together for their enjoyment and they found they mix wonderfully together. Stimulating but also significantly dissociating. Another lesser used ROA is buccal or sublingual. I found that buccal in particular is akin to nasal in bioavailability but it's hard to not let your rats swallow it that way and it definitely burns their little gums (kinda like chewing tobacco). I don't vaporize as I respect their little lungs but I bet if they were freebase you could get a good effect that way. I would caution against it however as we don't know if crystallization would happen in the lungs which could lead to respiratory problems very rapidly.

please do would love to hear about other disso talk. As a sidenote MX in particular has been a favorite of my rats as well, very functional and very upbeat compared to most things they have experienced. Minimal issue with daily life. Often they appear mostly completely functional (except at higher doses) but... happier. 3-meow-PCEcho has been something they have had recently and is okay but very manic and they don't care much for the flavor over MX. Also lasts a VERY long time and a very steep dosage curve. Worthy chemical though. No such thing as a hole however as they reported to me

 

[tudeniso]

I really underestimated this stuff, lol. Its been a couple days and I still feel like I'm somewhat recovering, not yet recovered, from the experience with those two. Really had fun and it was so impressive for a disso exp especially as someone w tolerance, but man that stuff (especially the MX) feels pretty hard on the brain and body... I've noticed that my heart has felt slightly more strain from things since trying it, like particularly smoking weed will sometimes give me a bit of heart-related anxiety. Something to watch out for, perhaps this stuff is cardiotoxic to some degree. I also will confirm this stuff is actually significantly caustic imo, its not bad enough to where its not worth using (still found it loads easier than IN dosing of a certain famous phenethylamine ending in CB) but bad enough to where consecutive days of using this stuff will really start to fuck up your nose. I've had some nosebleeds, scabbing, congestion, and actually have noticed that some of my dreams the past couple of nights I've had trouble breathing due to how congested I am in my sleep. Very unpleasant so take care of your nose and your rats' noses if partaking, I read online that these disso salts are quite a bit harsher on your nose than certain popular stimulants well known for messing people's noses up. I'm not a proponent of daily disso use in any context to be honest but this one seems especially not okay to use like that. 2fx, who knows, probably a lot better in some ways because its less caustic, probably worse too because doses are so much larger. Ugh. I've already run out of both of these I really do wish I upped my order a bit lol

 

[tudeniso]

I've found that my rats like mixing them tbh, it's probably not good for them but the Opi-like effects of 2fx go very well with the stimulating effects of mx. I used to mix 0-pcharliep and MX together for their enjoyment and they found they mix wonderfully together. Stimulating but also significantly dissociating. Another lesser used ROA is buccal or sublingual. I found that buccal in particular is akin to nasal in bioavailability but it's hard to not let your rats swallow it that way and it definitely burns their little gums (kinda like chewing tobacco). I don't vaporize as I respect their little lungs but I bet if they were freebase you could get a good effect that way. I would caution against it however as we don't know if crystallization would happen in the lungs which could lead to respiratory problems very rapidly.

please do would love to hear about other disso talk. As a sidenote MX in particular has been a favorite of my rats as well, very functional and very upbeat compared to most things they have experienced. Minimal issue with daily life. Often they appear mostly completely functional (except at higher doses) but... happier. 3-meow-PCEcho has been something they have had recently and is okay but very manic and they don't care much for the flavor over MX. Also lasts a VERY long time and a very steep dosage curve. Worthy chemical though. No such thing as a hole however as they reported to me

Oh, also, I wanted to ask, did your rats ever experience a weird flavor from the MX? It reminded me of like, a wet mildewy towel or something. Sort of garlicky like how people have described some of the 0-PeeSeaP batches. Overall pretty gross ngl but it doesnt linger too badly

 

[Gulp2788]

They never experienced much flavor with MX beyond typical chemically taste, your experience seems typical of MX though I don't believe they detected any garlic flavor so maybe you ought to GC/MS test your batch. O-Pseepapa was VERY garlicky and much harsher on the sinuses though much much more dissociating than MX. I meant to submit both for GC/MS testing but never did. As per your previous post yeah, I definitely recommend getting some saline spray and flushing your rats sinuses within an hour of dosage. Honestly that advice goes with literally anything going up the noses of your rats however it also can depend on whether the chemical is water soluble or not. 3-meow-Papacharlieecho is not at all water soluble and thus does poorly insufflated imo. Better to stick with oral dosing with it. Frankly Oral dosing is ALWAYS the safest way to administer but our rats tend to find their own preferred methods.

Having run many blood pressure and cardiac tests on my rats I definitely can say that everything in this class will absolutely push your subjects into hypertension and increased heartrate (usually around an additional 20bpm resting). I always recommend avoiding them if your subjects have cardiac issues. THC seems to interact heavily as well and can push an otherwise controlled dose into an uncontrolled one. Avoid psys unless well prepared to handle them as the two HEAVILY interact to the point of causing serious mental episodes within the subjects. If using daily (not recommended) ensure that the rats have a comedown that allows them a full night's rest as mania builds very quickly and lack of sleep is a surefire way for your rats to have a psychotic break.