Suboxone Or Opiate W/d

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The way the Dr described it to me,(I don't trust Dr's), but anyway he did show me research and was in on the know, a sub specialist if you will.. Heroin and methadone go in and block all your receptors so when you stop your brain has forgotten how to make those chemicals because it hasn't had to. Well subs come in and just block half your receptors so your brain continues to make the chemicals.. I know subs don't give you the euphoria that other opiates do so I kinda figured everyone makes a big deal about the kick because they don't want to get on subs and not be on their opiate haze all day.. Don't get me wrong, I've been on subs for four years and I'm terrified too but I do have some hope, my Dr is a stand up guy and I mostly trust him. I just think people don't want to stop what they are doing so they make it sound like it's the worst kick ever so it gives them an excuse to keep doing what they are doing. Had a lot of gnarly kicks I know the fear ALL TOO WELL. But I'm just a girl with and little opinion. What i do know my life has been 10 fold better since I stopped heroin and methadone, I'm emotionally available for my kids and the people I love, I don't sleep all day(which sometimes I miss) and I respect myself a Hell of a lot more. I'll be sending you good thoughts and easy kick wishes, maybe then you tell me what to expect. Gem
Subutex is great for mental withdrawals as after you've been on it a few months your addicted brain rewires but the physical is unbelievable, far worse than any prescribed opiate medication. 

10 day tapers to get you off your doc can be worthwhile though.

 
2.5 years ago i was coming off a "d" habit, not the worst but bad enough imo. I went to a sub doctor. He only accepted cash. "Gee, sounds familiar" i told him i didn't want to be over-precribed or on more than a few months. He was fine with that.  I had an appt every month $300 i think plus med cost was like 200-250.  Time went by and he didnt keep up our ageeement about reduction or time frame so i began reducing it on my own.  I was down to i believe one strip in thirds a day. He had started me on 3.  I got jaundice real bad. My liver enzymes were 3800+.  I cut myself down to a 3rd a day, changed my diet, began silymarin and n.a.c.  Dropped the subs totally after a week.  Had rls, sweats, cronic fatigue. I assumed the fatigue was liver but who knows?  Anyway my liver improved over the course of 6 months. My primary and liver doc were astonished. I had come in contact with hep-b at some point but in the end had no antigen present, only antibodies.  Idk if the subs were part of it or not. Doesn't really matter anyway. Im extra diligent about any opiate intake. My l-4 and l-5 had been herniated so long you could see the vertabrae growing around the bulges in the discs.  I went to a chiro, learned the physical therapy and for the most part am out of the major pain without surgery. I count my blessings in many ways today. Probably sheds some light on some of my posts.

 
I have never had a huge opiate habit but once in while I get carried away.  You know how that goes.  Anyway I use Val and kratom to get back to normal.  The first day I will use 50 mg val.  This might sound like a lot but it is the only way to get to sleep and it has never bothered me.  2nd day 40mg and so on down to to 0.  The whole time I will be taking Kratom.  

The val helps with restless legs, anxiety etc.  The Kratom helps with nausea,  Diarrhea etc.  The two together work well for me..

Dobie

 
If your serious about complete abstinence, then subs are the way to go. There easier to cut down when when getting to the last few ml's. I would recommend mdone because the last 10 ml is a bitch to deal with. Either use mdone then switch to subs when your at about 20ml of mdone. 

 
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  8. LW815 @ LW815: Was nodding in/out the entire time writing those shouts and spparently was fully out sending the last one lol. But II find it ‘uplifting’ as two people I’ve never actually met and only know the others online presence through subscriptions, who I have a better chance of getting a handy J from Jesus Christ himself, both were so quick to share their own experience and wise words and assurances that things will look up and not to feel guilty or be mad at somebody for going that route - as you never
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