ODSMT vendors?

xandersgone said:
I also think this is exactly what happened. Had a conversation with a close friend about it and was worried about how blown up/known about Serenity had become, and I didn't even realize the full extent of it until I joined this forum and checked Dread for the first time in years. Hopefully he rematerializes, although I have no idea when that would happen or what it would look like. Trying to keep in contact with him but he seems to not be checking or at least not replying to emails of any kind atm, which makes sense; some people are probably abruptly facing the fact that they're heavily addicted to ODSMT (so god damn glad I finished tapering off boofing it towards the end of last month, had been doing 300mg+ daily for about 1.5-2 years) and he's probably getting many, many desperate emails. Still looking for a 2MAP vendor though as its my DoC these days; I find the WDs aren't anywhere near as bad as ODSMT as long as you don't take massive amounts or constantly dose throughout the day. A potentiator is also borderline mandatory for it because of how short it lasts, Cimetidine works great to extend its active half-life and give it some legs though, but it can also make the WDs worse because of that. So like the romans said, "all things in moderation"
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Exactly! The problem with ODSMT withdrawals is that not only is your opiate / opioid system out of whack but ODSMT is also a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor which has its own checklist of gotchas. One of the worst is restless leg syndrome which is horrible because you literally feel like your entire body just wants to crawl outside itself and you constantly need to move but moving doesn't do much.

In fact, I'd rather go through Oxy withdrawals than ODSMT withdrawals because with Oxy you get the hot / cold flashes which suck but I don't think they are anywhere near as bad as RLS.

When you have a drug preventing the reuptake of NOR, your brain is basically flooded with it for a while so it has to downregulate a lot of things that use NOR. Suddenly all that NOR is gone but the brain takes a while to reverse the downregulation and that's how you end up in super withdrawals.
 
sitm1914 said:
Exactly! The problem with ODSMT withdrawals is that not only is your opiate / opioid system out of whack but ODSMT is also a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor which has its own checklist of gotchas. One of the worst is restless leg syndrome which is horrible because you literally feel like your entire body just wants to crawl outside itself and you constantly need to move but moving doesn't do much.

In fact, I'd rather go through Oxy withdrawals than ODSMT withdrawals because with Oxy you get the hot / cold flashes which suck but I don't think they are anywhere near as bad as RLS.

When you have a drug preventing the reuptake of NOR, your brain is basically flooded with it for a while so it has to downregulate a lot of things that use NOR. Suddenly all that NOR is gone but the brain takes a while to reverse the downregulation and that's how you end up in super withdrawals.
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Exactly bro, couldn't have put it better myself! The bro is literally going through this exact thing rn and is wondering why the withdrawal is so bad and I keep telling him it's because of the NRI effects. He's prescribed a 120ct of 10mg Dexedrine though and he's been taking them with the ODSMT, he just got prescribed 1mg Subs to help deal with the WDs though so hopefully he'll make it through without suffering too much
 
xandersgone said:
Exactly bro, couldn't have put it better myself! The bro is literally going through this exact thing rn and is wondering why the withdrawal is so bad and I keep telling him it's because of the NRI effects. He's prescribed a 120ct of 10mg Dexedrine though and he's been taking them with the ODSMT, he just got prescribed 1mg Subs to help deal with the WDs though so hopefully he'll make it through without suffering too much
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I was about to re-up with Serenity because it was time. I was relaxing in the bathtub with my laptop and went to the pastebin. Saw the message and I shot up, ran out and into my bedroom to see just how low I was.

This was stupid on my part because you shouldn't wait until you are almost out to re-up. You should always have 5-10g supply and consider that your re-up line when you reach it.

The problem was that Serenity was so good I was treating him like Amazon and lost sight that he could disappear at any time despite his amazing reputation.

The second worst thing besides withdrawals is realizing you'll be in withdrawals in just a couple days. LOL.
 
Also, this is another reason why I won't touch benzos. I just can't do it. As bad as opiate withdrawals can be, I've seen a lot of fam in the past suffer from benzo withdrawals and it was ugly. One of my closest friends had it so bad that he spent months getting constant "brain zaps" while his brain worked out its shit.

I won't touch something where the withdrawals could possibly kill you. Some of the RC benzos out there right now are very powerful and a lot of users don't realize they are just one vendor away from facing some serious withdrawal issues.

I understand the need for them taking it. We all suffer from "unique" brain chemistry and I'm not going to hold it against anyone if that's their jam -- I just hope they take care of themselves and avoid having to CT a heavy benzo addiction.

(We all probably know someone who went through WDs while in jail -- that's the worst nightmare)

Isn't this game fun?
 
sitm1914 said:
Serenity was easily pulling in $10-20k per week from his sales. He had stock in a bunch of different things and he's run out in the past without taking a break.

Generally a vendor doesn't stop all business that quickly and just disappear like that. Even though most (if not all) of the stuff he was selling was quasi-legal, I'm willing to bet that someone at the local post office contacted OIG and some serious heat came down on him.

The fact that he still put up a quick notice leads me to suspect he wasn't outright arrested but he probably got wind of an investigation coming down on him. He was probably sending out 100-200 packages a week that was hitting a smaller volume post office.

Unfortunately I think he took on too many clients and he didn't limit the number of orders a client could make per month. He probably should have made a limit of one order per month which would help combine a bunch of smaller weekly orders into one larger monthly order. That would have reduced the volume of packages going out substantially. He also could have stopped taking on new customers and only dealt with his larger volume clients.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I bet something like this played out. It really sucks that this happened to him because he was honestly one of the best, if not the best, vendor I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. If I had to find some minor issue with dealing with Serenity, it would probably be the local post office sitting on express orders for 1-2 days somewhat frequently -- but that was out of his control.

I should have put in an order earlier and make it a hard rule that if I drop below a certain amount, put in an order quickly. Dealing with ODSMT withdrawals is a mf'er.
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I highly recommend implementing that rule you mentioned to avoid running out. If I'm down to 10g or less, I always put in another order, and I have another 5g "emergency supply" sitting around that I never touch in case something doesn't go as planned, and it works pretty damn well for never running out. I ordered 40g literally the day before he went on break, got incredibly lucky with that one. I'll probably quit or at least taper down to a lower dose over christmas break anyways, but damn do I miss Serenity and his perfectly predictable, tracked packs
 
Autogen has a thread in the Suggest a Vendor section with dozens of reviews. Unfortunately it looks like he's gone out of stock again.
 
methhrc said:
i dont have access to the special part of the forum and i hope its okay to post this as i am just trying to do people a favour by trying to get them away from shady pos vendors, but again, i can personally vouch for these guys:

rentry.co/morpheusgod

they have odsmt aswell as other opioids
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pretty insane prices for odsmt. I'm used to paying 250-300 for 10g not almost 100 a g which is insane in my eyes.
 
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  7. MorfineOrfan @ MorfineOrfan: @st1ckyf1ng4z i have no clue what the supply and demand is like for brick and mortar shops, i havnt been in a smokeshope in 15-20years and back then none of them had or even knew what kratom was. Ive always bought kratom from vendors online, back in tge day we would use babel fish translator to haggle with vendors on kilo prices lol. But you dont need to worry mit will always be available if leaf is.
  8. MorfineOrfan @ MorfineOrfan: @nameofuser11 its not just 7/mgm/psuedo and sr, the dea has a huge list of compounds its banning with this ban. Odsmt is one, all the orphines and a ton more.
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  15. st1ckyf1ng4z @ st1ckyf1ng4z: Especially if they’re using mitragynine as the parent alk to make substitutes. I think it will affect plain leaf too at the very least it will not be as available as it’s been.
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