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Ordered: 9/18

Mailed: 9/25

Delivered: Still waiting

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I am seeing some start to creep in so my hopes are still high! Keep the hope alive guys! Hope you all are well! 

 
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APohio said:
Dude if it gets that bad don't hesitate seeking medical attention. WD is not to be messed with, especially when. the seizures kick in. And unless your worried about what your Dr. will say, then by all means seek help my friend you can end up in some dark and scary places. And if you are afraid of your Dr. jumping your shit, explain to him that what he was prescribing you just wasn't enough and he just may increase your Rx.

I get what all of you are saying but I don't think a lot of people's doctors know they are using a certain benzo. So if they see there doctor or go to hospital for this , they could be cut off by there doctor for using something they never gave them. Or maybe they do get a benzo , but run out to fast cause they are taking to many. So a lot of people won't see the doctor cause they would feel there doctor might cut them off for everything and start giving them something different , less addictive. I take 0.5 mg of Klonopin. I take 3 a day. But if I was to run out of them before my next refill , I wouldn't go to doctor cause he would be pissed that I took to many and cut me off. So I think everyone's WD problems are all different from each other. Lots of us are here cause they want more or there doctor refuses to give them any kind of benzo. So if that's the case, how do you see your doctor for WD if he didn't want you on those meds. ? It's a tuff situation.

LONG STORY SHORT SIMILAR THING HAPPENED TO ME, WITH MY PIRK Rx, AND HE GAVE ME 30 MORE A MONTH.

THEIR JOB IS TO ENSURE YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND IF YOUR PERSISTANT, 99% OF Drs. WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU.

ANYWAY ITS WORTH A SHOT RIGHT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE RIGHT??

BEST OF LUCK, HEAD HIGH, AND STAY STRONG!

YOUR FRIEND,

APohio
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kinder_toten_lieder said:
I'm waiting for my order from a few weeks ago too.  But I had to throw in my two cents for everyone struggling.

Even if your WD are from un-prescribed use, doctors will do something to help.  The seizures are bad, they constitute a medical emergency.  If you're having serious WD symptoms, see a doctor.  You may not get benz0s, but at least atav4n or something similar.  If you're not yet at WD, hit up an ER with panic symptoms (sharp chest pains, narrowed vision, feeling like you're going to die or going crazy, etc.).  A lot of ER doctors are happy to give a small dose of benz0s to free up a bed, and maybe if they're kind maybe a very small prescription.  It's not a good way to get them for long-term use, but it can get you by.
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Another word on this, as I have been through this situation and know the medical system/rehab system pretty well....

Doctors are like any other profession. Some are good and some are not so good. Some understand and some don't get it. The only one why really is considered the world expert on this stuff is Dr. Heather Ashton in the U.K. She's semi-retired, but has left the world a ton of information on benzo research, at all levels, including withdrawal.

See here:  http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/

Yes, benzo w/d is serious. Maybe the most serious of them all. You can have seizures, but typically not the ones you die from (not that this is any consolation as any seizure is serious stuff).

Doctors have a duty to act in your best interests and "do no harm" but they vary on what this means. If you go to the ER and lay it all out on the table (as I have done twice now), a few things will happen, most likely, depending on your treating physician.

First, as you can see from the Ashton Manual, the best course of action is to put you on Diaz (BTW, Ativan is a benzo...there are about 20 of them, including the "Z" drugs, even though they don't classify them as such) and taper you down slowly. Hardly any doctors understand this or are willing to prescribe you the Valium to let you do this on their own. I can't say I blame them for the "on your own" part, but not immediately giving you another benzo to me is malpractice. More likely is them giving you, like Kinder said, a bed and some kind of benzo and maybe a sleeping med (maybe Zolpies, which acts on the same brain receptors as benzos, but just not for long) for a day or two and then releasing you to a recover facility...and God knows what will happen there, as the majority of them believe God will cure you while you detox. They typically (at least in the US) will start and wean you off at a much lower tart dose and faster wean rate than Dr. Ashton recommends. Of course, the problem here, as she explains, is that you are not truly off of the med, as your body may take a year or longer to truly get back to normal. These things are no joke. Diazepam is recommended because it has the longest half life (so you all on Valium probably have a few days after you run dry before the physical danger sets in, even though the psychological danger may be immediate). Personally,

Second, you may get discharged with a month or so supply of a benzo and be told to see your general physician. Of course, many of us go through a "month's supply" in days (largest recommended dosage for Valium is 30mg per day, but rarely do they prescribe this). If this happens, be sure to ask for some Gabapentin (or Neurontin), which is an anti-seizure medication, or something similar...because if you wind up in the same spot on your own, you really will have to gut it out...which I have done and can be done, but you want something like Gabapentin (which is not controlled and is far more likely to be prescribed if asked for) to reduce the risk of seizure. 

Third, you may get monitored for a few days so you are out of the "danger zone" so to speak, (which depends on what kind of benzo you were taking because of the half life...yet many doctors don't know this), laying there in agony while they claim it's best and will make sure you don't die from a seizure (gee thanks guys!). Be sure to ask for the anti seizure meds in this case.

There are really two components of benzo withdrawal. The psychological and the physical. Ashton and others claim the physical depends on the type of benzo you were on. But there is a good and bad aspect to this. If you are on one (see her charts) that has a longer half-life, then the physical w/d will take longer, but the reduction is slower, so your body may not be is such a state of shock as the one that are shorter. I think that's why the benzos of choice in the U.S. are so dangerous...because they not only have high Diazepam equivalents, but they have relatively shorter half lives, so it's like falling off of a cliff from a large dose. Xanbars and Conopees come to mind.

If you really want to get clean, the way to do it is to follow Dr. Ashton's method, and fortunately Diaz is pretty inexpensive and can he gotten in decent quality.

NONE of this is medical advice, as I am not a doctor. I am just relaying my experience and knowledge.

 
polygraph said:
Has anyone from Club 10/1 received yet? Doubtful....
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I'm in this club, but I'm still hopeful for the reasons outlined be headbanger and others. TTM is a straight shooter and has always been. They warned us about the strike (even refunded me once), warned us about the delays, provided an alternative contact on Twitter, have a forum, and with me have a perfect record with many orders.

 
I am optimistic.  I was just wondering what day they actually got mailed.  We won't know until someone receives.  

 
Also a member of the 9/25 club and in the S.E. Still nothing here but keeping up hope.

- Jeff

 
seeyouontour said:
Regardless of all the anti charge back check boxes, if item never left the country because of a strike that was already in process when letter mailed, one week from now I'm starting the process if letters don't start arriving in droves this coming week. Taking orders and shipping during a postal meltdown is not customer friendly at all. It's devious to accept anyone's $$ when at the time there's 0% chance of delivery. If they're still taking orders today, that's fraud since the post can't be dropped off anywhere. Just saying.
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People are reporting orders received last few days or so, I hope you think twice about doing this.  I understand the frustration, but if you couldn't afford to lose the money than you shouldn't have ordered.  There was plenty of warning, and it will hurt a lot of people on this forum and especially the vendor should you or more people choose to do charge-backs. 

 
saucerlike said:
People are reporting orders received last few days or so, I hope you think twice about doing this.  I understand the frustration, but if you couldn't afford to lose the money than you shouldn't have ordered.  There was plenty of warning, and it will hurt a lot of people on this forum and especially the vendor should you or more people choose to do charge-backs. 
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I agree. And it may hurt you if you do one. Once they get this mess sorted, I'm sure TTM will remember those who did.

 
Is anyone else's account still "pending authorazation" after the up and down the other day?

 
Ugh... I'm having mixed feelings about what I'm about to post but:

Ordered - Oct. 9th

Mailed - Oct. 10th

Received - Oct. 20th

Northeast

Small order, just 90 P@x 10's but I feel horrible for those of you in withdrawal right now.  /default_sad.png   Sending good thoughts to all who need it right now, I'm pretty shocked to have received (already) to be honest.

 
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Wow that is surprising. But it is what it is. Maybe that's what people need to do. Order now and start fresh and see what happens. We all know we have no control what's happening with are Sept orders. If we get it then its a bonus.

 
Order-10/19

Shipped-10/20

Will update, hope those of you who need start receiving very soon. Hate to see these posts about w/d.

 
Valid point especially if you are taking a benzo with no Rx. HOWEVER if you are on a legit benzo then Im willing to guarantee you your dr. will realize hes not got you properly medicated. He may then bitch at you for not telling him your symptoms are not under control.

This is my experience I'm sharing and a couple of my friends did the same thing. Take it or leave it its just info hopefully useful if not I'm sorry I couldn't help.

As always, head high, stay strong, and be positive. If things still don't work out, at least you will have the satisfaction of knowing you did your best.

Your friend,

APohio

 
APohio said:
Valid point especially if you are taking a benzo with no Rx. HOWEVER if you are on a legit benzo then Im willing to guarantee you your dr. will realize hes not got you properly medicated. He may then bitch at you for not telling him your symptoms are not under control.

This is my experience I'm sharing and a couple of my friends did the same thing. Take it or leave it its just info hopefully useful if not I'm sorry I couldn't help.

As always, head high, stay strong, and be positive. If things still don't work out, at least you will have the satisfaction of knowing you did your best.

Your friend,

APohio
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Even if your self medicating most Doc should have enough compassion to help a patient with a medical condition that could turn serious. I feel most would give a patient enough meds to stave off wd's at least for a short period of time. In the meantime there are 3 or 4 other options. Look at those maybe they can delver in a couple of weeks.

This same shit happened last year when SY shut down for a month. But pea kays were much harder to get. SY is an option here but an $$$ one.

Good luck to those suffering and keep the posting on the board so the community can help.

 
I have given up on my 9/25 order and 9/30 order.....but i got a nice suprise, ordered with SL for backup, and my letter came in 9 days!!!! So there are good alternatives out there

 
Fuckin A man. A silver lining. Other members this could be an option if you choose. The 9 day delivery can't be guaranteed but we see that's it's possible.

 
headbanger said:
Fuckin A man. A silver lining. Other members this could be an option if you choose. The 9 day delivery can't be guaranteed but we see that's it's possible.
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Last time it was 14 days....so i really lucked out this time....

 
Again please post in the proper thread cause sometimes it gets confusing about what people are discussing.

 
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