I have yet to get much out of kratom either, though I know many on several sites who swear by it. I think as recreation, it can be a little bit hit or miss depending on the person, the strain, and the sun, the moon and the stars.
I am developing some confidence that it is going to aide me in jumping off my own little dependency issue, in part due to seeing someone with passion about its potential, and a clear compassion for others and a desire to aide them in their struggles. It is weird in fact - I have yet to order from NoRx, or anywhere more than the smallest of tastes, but I will be doing so from NoRx in two days. I recently sent Dan a brief query after finding this site and reading about his responses to others, and theirs to his compassion that shines through. As others have experienced, he replied with kind words and advice, and it did not feel like a sales pitch at all - this is clearly someone who genuinely cares about people.
Kratom as recreation may not be right for everyone, but the subtle benefits such as supression of opiod WD symptoms as a helpful tool to kick and stay that way, or the benefits some find such in its anti-anxiety or antidepressant properties . . these qualities are a God-send for some it seems, to hear their stories.
I have also known some who have taken it to extremes, as addicts such as myself are prone to do. A couple of them have described using insane amounts daily, like 1-2 oz.; obviously beyond a point this is not a good thing. But, after being essentially a kratom skeptic for some time, I am opening up to other possibilities. I have at the least seen its capacity to tamp down some WD symptoms, and I am pretty sure what I had was not a "good" batch were one to ask experienced users. I guess we'll see but in my case I am not expecting euphoria or inebriation, but merely help on the many fronts I will encounter soon as I jump off.
Even if I don't benefit a bit I have faith in this individual, and the emergent truth (for me) that for some, it has been an ally in the battle against various human frailties. Even if I experience no subjective effect I can't help but believe the underlying love from a good-hearted person will find its way to me in my time of need. Weird huh, but time and again it has been shown that even placebos can be very effective for those who believe. Though I am sure there is more to it, fickle as it might appear at first for some.
Love and light to all